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Will anyone pick up this series again? WHO?
No one. No one needs it, even for free.
"Part 5" was a worthy continuation, even though it was from the same publisher. If they find a decent developer, then maybe "Part 7" will revive the series.
The fifth installment had to be good to gain consumer trust. And it succeeded. Now they can release unfinished products.
The problem isn't the publisher, but the developer. If Ubisoft had given it to someone other than Black Hole, things might have been different.
OF COURSE!!!
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If they find a decent developer, then maybe "Heroes 7" will revive the series.
and maybe it will restore the former glory of the series.

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and why, if you search for "might and magic heroes 6 shades of darkness" on Yandex, the first 3 links will show "DLC" instead of "add-on"?

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OF COURSE!!!
so, are we going to keep bashing Ubisoft? They made a mistake once, so what??? EVERYONE is allowed to make mistakes.
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If they find a decent developer, then maybe "part 7" will revive the series.
A decent developer? Both the fifth and sixth parts were developed by good companies. Only the first one wasn't messed with, and the second one was driven to closure.
So, why are you bashing Ubisoft? They made a mistake once, and what? EVERYONE is allowed to make mistakes.
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A competent developer?
Well, a RESPONSIBLE one.
And it seems to me that the expansion is being developed by someone other than Limbic.
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well, IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE
Good Lord... What exactly is irresponsible about the work of the Hungarian team? Which of their obligations to the publisher were not fulfilled? What is this nonsense? If anyone is to blame for the complete failure, it is the publisher. Although, this company still remains unnamed. They are the most genuine scammers. Hiring a small company for a large-scale project, cutting their funding, shortening deadlines, and making changes to the gameplay in the final stages – yes, that's normal. The only thing the developers lacked was in the legal department. If they had qualified lawyers on staff, they would have immediately rejected such a contract, where the publisher has complete freedom of action.
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Goodness... What is the irresponsibility in the work of the Hungarians? Which of their obligations to the publisher have not been fulfilled? What is this nonsense? If anyone is to blame for the complete failure, it is the publisher.
That's right. But they never planned to create something groundbreaking from the very beginning. So, everything is going according to their plan.
besides, Ubisoft won't sell the series because they are not in such a critical state that they would have to dump everything.
It's funny that he said "not in such a critical state" about one of the biggest players in the market. Well, yes. Ubisoft is doing just great, probably only better than some Activision.
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God... What is the irresponsibility in the work of the Hungarians? Which of their obligations to the publisher were not fulfilled? What is this nonsense? If anyone is to blame for the complete failure, it is the publisher. Although this company can hardly be called that. They are the most real scammers. Hiring a small company for a large-scale project, cutting their funding, shortening deadlines, and making changes to the gameplay at the final stages – yes, that's normal. The only thing the developers failed at is the legal aspect. If they had qualified lawyers on staff, they would have rejected such a contract immediately, when the publisher gets complete freedom of action.

Do you work at Ubisoft or Black Hole? If not, IMHO, getting involved in someone else's dirty laundry is not the best idea. It's good if at least half of what that Black Hole guy said in that remote message was true. It's not very fair to judge such things when we only know the position of one side.

That message, of course, didn't mention the mistakes that Black Hole made. And we are unlikely to ever know if BH actually fulfilled all its obligations to Ubi on time. The game's release was postponed at least twice, as far as I remember. So, as for the deadlines, I think it was more about extending them than shortening them.

Ubi also forced Nival to make changes to Heroes 5 at the final stages of the game. But for some reason, this did not affect the quality of the fifth installment as much as it did the sixth.
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Do you work at Ubisoft or Black Hole? If not, then, IMHO, digging into someone else's dirty laundry is not the best idea. It would be good if at least half of what that Black Hole employee said in that remote message was true. It's not very fair to judge such things when we only know the position of one side.
I believe this letter, at least because after its publication, there was no denial from "Ubisoft." If it were false, they would try to somehow clear themselves of the slander. Indirect arguments in favor of the truthfulness of the Black Hole employee's statement may be the games created by the Hungarians earlier (normal creation conditions and, as a result, a decent result) and Nival's comments regarding the contract for the development of the sixth installment, which is exploitative in its essence.

The concept of "dirty laundry" still refers to personal life. In this case, I suffered from someone's unfair economic policy; I believe I have every moral right to express my dissatisfaction with everything that is happening, since I paid the price of a quality product for a semi-finished product.

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That same message, of course, did not mention the mistakes that the Black Hole employees made. And we will probably never know if BH actually fulfilled all its obligations to Ubi on time. The game's release date, as I recall, was postponed at least twice. Therefore, as far as deadlines are concerned, I think it was more about extending them than shortening them.
I understand that I am doing wrong by summarizing without having enough information. But I'm already fed up. And I can't force myself not to believe that letter. What I bought in October of last year in no way corresponds to this. I'm a little sorry for the money spent. The game is only now being sold at a price worthy of it (on average, about 250 rubles).
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I believe this letter, at least because after its publication, no refutation followed from "Ubisoft."

But why should Ubisoft comment on a comment that appeared from an unknown source and was immediately deleted by the user?

According to Russian insider LaBoule, he spoke with Irina about this "post-mortem" and she explained Ubi's position.

http://forums.ag.ru/?board=heroes6&action=display&s=0&num=1318301734&start=475#494

And why should Ubi apologize? Draw public attention to this message when most fans don't even know about it?
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Indirect arguments in favor of the truthfulness of the "Black Hole" employee's statement may be the games created by the Hungarians earlier (normal creation conditions and, as a result, a decent result).

But, in my opinion, they are rather mediocre games. In any case, Heroes 6 is not their worst creation.
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and the comments from "Nival" regarding the contract for the development of the sixth installment, which was exploitative in its essence.

The quote about the exploitative nature of the publisher's terms belongs to Sergey Orlovsky:

http://habrahabr.ru/post/101944/#comment_3163110

There's also a smiley there. A smiley usually means a joke or irony.

Adagio, overall, I understand your anger. I myself was very angry after reading that post-mortem. But now I've more or less weighed the arguments and I think that you can't look at the world in black and white. Ubi is certainly to blame for something. But I prefer to believe that the fate of Heroes is not in the hands of monstrous fascists, ready to kill their own mother for a couple of euros. :)
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the supposed plot of the add-on (all links in the topic "Heroes 6 - news"):
The main character of the campaign will indeed be Railag. Uniting with the forces of Darkness and gaining the support of black dragons, he will show the underground dwellers the darkness at the end of the tunnel. Because it was too bright there before. However, the affairs of the dark elves will not go unnoticed - their magical experiments will cause an illness in the spider goddess Mother Namtara, who is worshiped by the necromancers of Heresh (the developers cannot be denied irony - because it is the spider Lolth that the classic drow pray to). A death knight and a vampire in one undead body, Vayne, will have to deal with the chaos. His main opponent, however, will be Sandro. And all the events of the game will take place one hundred years after what we played in the original Heroes 6.
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Sanctuary, in my opinion, is still a fake. The news from Ubi only mentions one campaign.

Besides, I don't understand why the Dark Elves would target Namtara. There are understandable reasons to target the High King of the Elves, the Underking, or the Emperor of the Holy Empire. But what could Namtara possibly do to them?

And moving the action so many years into the future would also be quite strange. After all, many of the characters from the original would have long since died, and new heroes would have to be created, which wouldn't be very economically viable.
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And why would Ubi even need to justify themselves? Attract public attention to this message when most fans don't even know about it?
The point of justification is to save the company's reputation, which is important in business. But I was convinced by your argument about the relative obscurity of the letter. In that case, silence is very appropriate.
Actually, I think they are quite mediocre games. At least, Heroes 6 is not their worst creation.
The problem is the number of bugs. There were significantly fewer errors in their previous games.
There's also a smiley face there. A smiley face usually means a joke or irony.
Every joke has a grain of truth. :p In the end, they refused, which means something bothered them.
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Shukfir, I didn't say that the news I published was official. As for Namtaru, it might hinder Railag in carrying out his plans, that's why he poisoned it. It's not necessary to keep all the heroes; Kiril, Nastia, Sandro, Railag, and that new Necromancer (I forgot his name) are enough. ------------------- ps It's so inconvenient to post here from a public computer.
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Every joke has a grain of truth. :p In the end, they refused, which means something bothered them.

Yes, Ubisoft is certainly not a great choice as a leader. I don't argue with that. But the main reason for the refusal, as far as I remember, was that Nival was working on Allods Online at that time.
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Shukfir, I didn't say that the news I published was official.

That's true. Some fans tend to take any unverified rumors as an official announcement, and then get upset, saying that the developers promised something but didn't deliver.
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That's true. Some fans tend to take any unverified rumors as official announcements, and then get upset, saying that the developers promised something but didn't deliver.
It's strange... this, most likely a fake announcement, appears very often in Yandex.
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