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Posts from To Vigo or not to Vigo? That is the question.
Is this a deception? I personally saw that Vitalik was playing instead of Vigo. If not, then you can't speak with such certainty... Well, if Maretti comes to your place and plays all the games under your nickname, I wouldn't be against it, but the question arises: does he even need it? Where's the logic in that? Why waste your time on someone else, even if you've been friends since childhood? Besides, playing a few turns is one thing, and playing an entire game is another.
But Vigo himself confirmed that "several" turns were played for him (although it's hard to believe). This is a fact. Formally, he violated the rules. Formally... But no one will ban him for a couple of turns, you understand that. And AK (as well as most of the forum) is confident that not just a few turns were played for Vigo, but at least several games. This is where a psychological portrait of the person is needed: could he do it? What do we see in Vigo? He's unprincipled, a cheat, irresponsible, and a liar. By comparing these and many other facts, AK comes to the conclusion that Vigo cheated 99.9% of the time. There will never be 100%, not unless Vigo himself confirms it. But 99.9% is already enough; a DNA test isn't more accurate.
But Vigo himself confirmed that "several" moves were made for him (although it's hard to believe). This is a fact. Formally, he violated the rules. Formally... But no one will ban him for a couple of moves, you understand that, and AK (as well as most of the forum) is confident that not just a couple of moves were made for Vigo, but at least several games were played. This is where a psychological portrait of the person is needed, and can he do it? What do we see in Vigo? Unprincipled, a cheat, irresponsible, a liar. By comparing these and many other facts, AK comes to the conclusion that Vigo cheated 99.9% of the time. There will never be 100%, not unless Vigo himself confirms it. But 99.9% is already enough, it's more accurate than a DNA test.
With this pace, you could ban half the forum for a couple of moves :p
Hmm, I also have a feeling for example that Rebel cheated, and not just me. And what? AK poured out a mountain of suspicious dirt, nothing more, and some naive people just swallow it...
In a couple of turns, at this rate, you could ban half the forum :p
This is just a formality; I already said that no one gets banned for this (and I really mean just a couple of turns). And also: no one has ever made moves for me, let alone even clicked the "accept turn" button; all my family members are afraid of the computer :) CryptoNight
I just don't understand – what got into Kilgore, and why is he stirring up trouble here...?
Crypto, am I wrong about anything? Am I "talking nonsense"? Throughout the entire discussion, I've been asking the same question of Vigo (and not just him, of course), and he still hasn't answered it directly. And I, damn it, am stubborn and want to expose him. Vigo is the one stirring up trouble; a few clear and concise answers from him would have ended this discussion.
Added: Crypto, be honest, did you even bother to understand the essence of this discussion? Did you read Pita's posts? And did you look at the links? Or did you just skim through everything?
HellLighT
13 years ago
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I read about 15 pages, skimming through the other 10, and it's clear that the members of the Arbitration Committee (AK) have put together a well-prepared and fundamental argument, trying to communicate adequately with a bunch of idiots... that's what I saw here. Everyone is defending their friends and themselves (and there's no real substance to their arguments), and there's a bunch of the forum's usual trolls who are just filling the space and saying that everyone else is doing it. The AK is the highest authority in this section of the portal, and it should not be subject to debate, but if such a situation has arisen and everything has been put to a public vote with a bunch of troll-friends, I propose that, based on the results, we start banning by IP address in case of proven guilt of unfair play (and not just nitpicking about "map hacking" as most people here are doing). P.S. In terms of honesty, diligence in their (I'm not afraid to say it) WORK on the portal, and the adequacy of the AK members, none of the pathetic ones can compare... and now I'm waiting for a pile of garbage in response.
Captain
13 years ago
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Vic and AK, what are we going to do about Britvochka? You yourself talked about karma, that you don't want to spoil it by playing with this individual. And you're not the only one thinking about your karma. By the way, did we both watch the same Jobs presentation about karma? ;) I just saw his vote in the poll now — I was surprised.
About the $1000 tournament — I already said that noobs need to be taught. And it's good that we have Vigo on our portal; the young ones will know that this can happen too. Believe me, it's better to go through this in games than to learn through bitter experience in real life. :)
Pit, I'm reminded of the spiteful dwarf that many have. Like, "I must take revenge at any cost, how dare they, 'the great me, lose on Jebus Cross'" :) What difference does it make who plays for whom? At the 1st CIS championship in Kyiv, crowds of people stood behind the players' backs and gave advice; I chased them away and threatened to kick them out :) And so what? — it's just a game. When I play chess, I say — play all together against me, I don't mind. Same in Heroes — I prefer to play against a clever player than to beat a novice scout hero and get a medal under my avatar.
Anyone, ask yourself: if you lose, then know that you are still weak. And it doesn't matter to whom. What can you claim if you're afraid to play against Vitalik, but want to play against Vigo :) And right now it looks exactly like that — memories of the sins of 2008 are being dredged up :) Aren't you tired of airing dirty laundry? Although yes — trolling and reading isn't boring :)
I think everyone knows MerlinTheMagician; so, dear defenders of Vigo, how do you comment on this? (There is no hope for Vigo): /topic/at/605265/
Author's comment: Everything written in my post fully corresponds to reality, which can be confirmed by several people. On the other hand, I am publishing a fact – as of today, Vigo has settled all accounts with me (about two weeks ago). This does not excuse him, but at least slightly reduces the degree of his guilt towards me personally regarding this specific incident. The problem was not only about the money, but also that he did not fulfill the obligations he had taken upon himself (repeatedly). Now, let's move on to the main topic. I believe that the evidence already published is more than sufficient for the AC to disqualify Vigo as a tournament player (I have never heard anything more absurd: they say that there was time to play a multi-hour game, but there was no time to write a report, which would take 5-10 minutes, and it seems that there will be no free 5-10 minutes in the near future either, so another person wrote the report, who could not possibly have been involved in the game... It's ridiculous.). And playing fun games is up to each individual; everyone decides for themselves whom they want to play with. As far as I understand, there is no talk of banning him from the forum here? Because a forum ban is issued for violating the forum rules (which, by the way, I don't know). (I don't know any rules that allow Dirty to engage in such shenanigans, deleting absolutely all messages except his own and Vigo's...) Now, I will try to put myself in Vigo's place (which is essential for anyone who considers themselves a reasonable person – putting yourself in someone else's shoes). Although this is extremely difficult in this case, because the current situation was preceded by a whole series of events that are unacceptable for my personality. So, if I were in his place and within his system of coordinates, I would see three options for myself. The first is to directly say that yes, he messed up (typo - instead of the second and third letters, one letter "p"), admit to these mistakes. This option is acceptable if remaining on this resource and generally in the gaming community is a priority for this person. The second option is to create a new character. And the third is to tell everyone to go away and leave.
Captain, how low have you fallen in my eyes. I used to think you were a pretty decent troll, with a fondness (or even love?) for Indre. You even let her be your favorite. Tell me, do you REALLY think Vigo didn't break any rules and shouldn't be banned from tournaments? Are YOU going to play with him?
Anyone who wonders: if you lose, know that you are still weak. And it doesn't matter to whom. What are you aiming for if you're afraid to play against Vitalik, but you want to play against Vigo? :)
Captain, there is truth in your words. In a fun game, I personally wouldn't care who I play against, even if it's two Vitaliks or three Vitaliks. But with password-protected saves. And it doesn't matter if I win or lose, the main thing is that the game is fair!
But in a tournament, if you get matched with player1, many people don't want to play against player2, and I understand them perfectly.
About the $1000 tournament - I already said that noobs need to be taught. And it's good that we have Vigo on the portal, the youngsters will know that this kind of thing happens. Believe me, it's better to go through this in games than to learn from bitter experience in real life. :)
Interesting, can any of those "noobs" reply to you here, or are you throwing around phrases because no one will answer? Sorry, I promised not to post here anymore, but some rude remarks simply cannot be ignored! P.S. It turns out Vigo performed a noble deed and all of HeroesWorld should be grateful to him, well done, Cap.
Cap, there's some truth in your words. In a casual game, I personally wouldn't care who I play with, whether it's two Vitaliks or three Vitaliks. But with password-protected saves, it's a different story. And it doesn't matter if I win or lose, the main thing is that the game is fair!
But in a tournament, if you get matched with player1, many people wouldn't want to play against player2, and I completely understand them.
Your signature is more eloquent than your post. ;)
Personally, I don't care – casual game or tournament, that's where we differ. For me, the game is entertainment, not a way to make money. :)
Kilgor, it's just words. Be more easygoing. ;) I play with Vigo. We played recently, but he made me play on 8mm6, and even my turns took 20-30 minutes (3 fronts), I just gave up – I got tired of spending a whole day on one game.
P.S. The story with Merlin is great! :smile02: Even though it has nothing to do with the heroes, it shows why a person is poor (like in the joke: why is he poor – because he's stupid, and why is he stupid – because he's poor). And it's clear why Merlin loves Kyiv so much. :)
Leolopus, don't draw conclusions and don't attribute words to me that I didn't say.
This is all nonsense. I asked Seven. He told me straight out that I'm with Vitaly — will you play? There's an ICQ log on some computer, I'll provide it!
Lies. After the loss on Anarchy (which he played same-as-talentless, not even RE-starting a diplomat for me from the start), we started THIS. Here is the FULL ICQ log. Go ahead and provide my consent there, Liar.
335665133-1@qip.ru (21:56:42 7/09/2012) 1. 2sm4d(3) 2. Balance of choice (M 200%, M+U 160%, L 160%, L+U 160%, XL 160%) M is played on 4 minutes, others on 6 3. Panic 4. Yolka 5. Spider 6. Mini Nostalgia or Nostalgia 7. 6LM10 or 6LM10a 8. 8MM6 or 8MM6a 9. 8xm12 or 8xm12a 10. 8xm8a 11. diamond 12. Jebus Cross 13. Anarchy
335665133-1@qip.ru (21:56:50 7/09/2012) give me 3 templates. I have a veto on smka
We are not going to put a black mark on him; we will simply issue a permanent ban from all official tournaments (including the season). We only offered this leniency because he is a "good-natured" person. And everything could be understood, playing with password-protected saves, etc., if he were playing himself.
Indeed. Even Katya and RBV, who were caught cheating, were not banned from playing in the season. But here, based on mere suspicions of maphacking, he is banned from participating in all tournaments (including the season) and his points are deducted. Other suspected maphackers, as far as I know, were only added to the blacklist. The consistency of the actions of the AC is evident.
Yeah, even Katya and RBV, who were caught cheating, were still allowed to play in the season. But here, based on mere suspicions of maphacking, there's a ban from participating in all tournaments (including the season) and a deduction of points. As far as I know, other suspected maphackers were simply added to the blacklist. The consistency in the actions of the AC is evident.
Go vote for the unfair ban of Vigo. What are you rambling about here? You haven't read the thread, you're just spamming endlessly.
