Skip to content

Posts from To Vigo or not to Vigo? That is the question.

Tournament Committee Closed Topic
5.0 (3 ratings)
Closed
Your opinion:
59 voters
Single choice Public votes Closed 2012-12-18
This poll is closed.
Vigo deserves to be on the Blacklist
81.4% 48 votes
Vigo was unfairly added to the Blacklist and should be removed from it
18.6% 11 votes
13 years ago
Auto-translated
Captain, I haven't disappeared anywhere.
I started writing in this thread because I was shocked by the moral degradation of some people, and I was especially shocked that it wasn't just one person, but several, and even more sadly, some people are sticking up for them, only out of friendly feelings (although they may have only met 2-3 times in real life), while completely ignoring the absolutely reasonable and consistent position of the Arbitration Committee (AC). So, initially, it seemed to me that the members of the AC were being overly delicate and polite and trying to avoid direct questions, but then several people from the outside stirred things up, and now very direct and clear questions are being asked by people who have weight here, so now I'm just observing =)

I think this whole thing was blown out of proportion. The AC has no doubts, any reasonable player has no doubts, and people from the outside (who are not interested and therefore are objective) also have no doubts. They should have reached a verdict and that's it, and that's what the AC exists for, with such powers, and you yourselves chose people with experience and authority for it. This decision raises questions; ask the AC for the materials. If you are not satisfied, raise the question of the legitimacy of the AC.
In reply to Leolopus
User Avatar
13 years ago
Auto-translated
Leolopus
I don't analyze the geographical location of players, but as of today, the best online players in Heroes 5 are Will, Dmitrik, Adv, Executor, Moz, and perhaps Tvarina, although he's more of one of yours now:)
P.S. And in general, it's a strange question, considering it's being asked to the moderator of the HMM5 online section, who is also one of the official organizers of online tournaments for the fifth game.
Yes, indeed, the fifth game is your domain! ))
I know Moz personally; he's a fantastic person!
Good luck and fair play in your game!!
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

In reply to Vigo
User Avatar
13 years ago
Auto-translated
Vigo
Yes, indeed, your top five are your domain! ))
I know Moza personally, he's an amazing person!
Good luck and fair play in your game!!
Thank you, and good luck to you in your defense:)
I'll take my leave now; if my presence in your "house" has offended anyone, please don't judge me too harshly:)
"Шанс есть всегда, но не везде." ;)
User Avatar
13 years ago
Auto-translated
Let's vote! If anyone hasn't had a chance yet, check out this topic. This thread is only for voting; all posts will be deleted. The voting will end in 10 days. ______________________ Comments from players: 7z: Please consider my vote for Vigo as incorrect. The Aladdin situation clarified everything. I believe that Vigo was rightfully added to the list.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
In reply to B100dy
User Avatar
13 years ago
Auto-translated
B100dy
Captain, I haven't disappeared anywhere, my friend.
I initially started writing in this thread because I was shocked by the moral degradation of some people, and what was especially shocking was that, okay, maybe it's just one person, but when there are several, and even more sadly, some people stand up for them, only out of friendly motives (although they may have met only 2-3 times in real life), completely ignoring the absolutely reasonable and consistent position of the Arbitration Committee (AC). So, it initially seemed to me that the members of the AC were showing excessive delicacy and politeness and trying to avoid direct questions, but then several people from the outside stirred things up, and now very direct and clear questions are being asked by people who have weight here, so now I'm just observing =)

I think this whole thing was blown out of proportion. The AC has no doubts, any reasonable player has no doubts, and people from the outside (who are not interested, and therefore are objective) also have no doubts. They should have reached a verdict and that's it, and that's what the AC exists for with such powers, and you yourselves chose people with experience and authority for it. This decision raises questions; ask the AC for the materials. If you are not satisfied, raise the question of the legitimacy of the AC.

Everyone whose opinion doesn't match yours is inadequate. Well, and who, I wonder, is degrading? :rolleyes:
In reply to Pit for LM
User Avatar
13 years ago
Auto-translated
Pit for LM

And when the Portal team, which was supposed to consist of 8 different players, had only 7 (one player played for two), the principle of fair play was also violated. There are no complaints against the Portal team; they themselves didn't know that this was possible.
Could you please provide more details here?
In reply to RiMpel2
13 years ago
Auto-translated
RiMpel2
Everyone whose opinion does not match yours is inadequate.
That was you who said that — not me.
If I see an elephant with my own eyes, and someone tries to explain that it's not like that at all and it's actually a bug — then there's something to think about =)
User Avatar
13 years ago
Auto-translated
Voting is open
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
User Avatar
13 years ago
Auto-translated
Everyone probably knows MerlinTheMagician; so, dear Vigo defenders, how do you comment on this (there is no hope for Vigo):
/topic/at/605265/

(expanded)
MerlinTheMagician
I'm writing in this thread because it doesn't directly relate to Heroes.
Repost with author's censorship from http://www.heroeswt.net/forum//topic/244/

King’s-Moldavian Vigo or KMV-2012

Dedicated to defrauded investors

Epigraph.
Will they piss on you, or will you sweat yourself?!
(casino saying)

I am a poor dealer. And when I was invited to Moscow for fishing (http://www.heroeswt.net/forum//topic/238/) – I immediately said that I have absolutely no money and can only go at the expense of the host party. I borrowed money (considering that my friends were willing to cover the expenses) – and bought a ticket. Vigo spoke loudest about my arrival. And he shouted even louder – that “we’ll sort everything out financially, no problem”...
I don’t know if it’s worth telling how the fishing took place without fishing rods and without fish (since there was somehow no fish in the pool of the sauna in the city of Korolev). But I cannot fail to mention that as a result, I was left without money. And this happened because Vigo didn't have any money. As it turned out later, he hadn't received a transfer for the first time. In general, Transfer is a special kind of religion that Vigo follows. He is always waiting for a mythical Transfer at any given moment. And he borrows money against it. And spends it.
In short, for exactly 4 weeks, Vigo told fairy tales about the "white bull" (and the Transfer). 10 thousand rubles is not such a large amount for Moscow and the Moscow region. Especially for a person (?) who positions himself as an entrepreneur and businessman. During this time, having his own company and many other opportunities, he could earn this amount and pay it back. Pay it back so that I could leave Moscow. He did not do this. As a result, Vigo, who did not invest money, owes 4300 rubles for shops-sauna-food-alcohol, 3965 rubles – his loss in poker, 1700 rubles – Merlin’s fund (tickets туда-обратно, divided among all those who sympathized).
A month has passed. Vigo hasn't settled anything from these items.
He deceived me and the whole group. Personally, over the past month, I counted 4 episodes of fraud on his part.
Episode one. Saturday – August fourth. Vigo took upon himself the obligation to settle the payment within the next week. Within the next week, he didn't give either me or any of the participants 4300.
Episodes two and three are in episode two. On one of the warm August days (mid-month), Vigo tells me that he can give 2000 rubles at any moment – come and pick them up. I am going to go. And first, I am offered the following: “You will still be in Moscow for at least until the end of the week, let me put it into circulation, they will circulate and grow.” I refuse and say that I will come now anyway, because I was planning to go that way. And then, attention!, the phrase follows: “I just gave them to the courier for shopping.” Curtain.
Episode four – in the WT chat (logs can be published if necessary), Vigo promised to transfer 6 thousand "no matter what" on Wednesday-Thursday. Last week’s Wednesday-Thursday. Today is Monday of a new week – there is no money. I found money for the ticket (at the poker table). But over the past month, I had to spend money on food and everything else. So, I arrived in Yekaterinburg yesterday with two thousand in my pocket and owed 11 thousand.
The strangest thing is that Vigo doesn't have money to pay off his debts. But somehow, he has money for alcohol (he was very cheerful and talkative in the chat on Saturday and did not hide his cheerfulness, and by the way, he drinks expensive vodka), gasoline, expensive clothes, and all 33 pleasures.
Despairing of getting the money peacefully, I summarize.
I DO NOT BELIEVE that Vigo didn't have money during this time (a whole month!!!). I don't believe his false words at all. And I am used to judging people not by their words, but by their deeds.
I release Vigo from participating in Merlin’s fund (because it is against my principles to accept help from someone who deceived me - i.e., screwed me over - 4 times).
The final amount of debt is thus 8265 rubles (for the festival and for poker). And if Vigo has a drop of pride left (which I personally doubt) – he will transfer the money.
Although I do not believe that I will see this money. I don't believe because I know that there are at least half a dozen people whom Vigo owes various amounts. Some he owes for several weeks, but there are also those whom he owes for YEARS (although the amounts to be paid off are ridiculous).
I don't understand why those whom he cheated continue to communicate with him. I don't understand why he still has a scalp on his head. I don't understand why he can still move around independently. In Yekaterinburg, everything would already be different. But at least, even if I don't see the money, – I will save much more for the Community.
If you believe his words – then the penis of those who do not pay money on time dries up (in the original - a word of three letters). I saw in the chat how someone who owed Besha 10 bucks behaved like Vigo. Vigo replied in the sense that there are such people on earth and so on, and yes, the non-payer’s penis will dry up now and forever… I come to the conclusion that Vigo’s penis has long had negative parameters.
So, what do I want to urge.
Do not lend money to Vigo! Even if there is a "positive credit history" – sooner or later you may find yourself in a similar situation.
Do not play serious games with Vigo, because he does not respect his opponents.
Do not be afraid to write in this thread how much and how long ago Vigo owes you; the money will return to you, even if Vigo doesn't return it. One way or another.
And do not be afraid to demand from him receipts for all his debts en masse. He has property that can be sold and paid off.
For example, I DEMAND that Vigo either give me the money or sign a receipt indicating interest for late payment (as all civilized lenders do).
And I don't consider it shameful to post all this publicly. Because saying that “this is our personal matter” is the position of those who obscure something and hide something. I have nothing to hide. I am quite a public person. And I think it is right to protect members of the Community from the circus. In general, I would suggest subjecting Vigo to ostracism and branding him with shame and bad words. But this is up to each individual – personally, I won’t sit down with him anymore: no one has ever screwed me over like that…
From Vigo’s point of view, which he expressed in the WT chat: I am a condom who understands absolutely nothing about normal friendly relations. That is, for him, it is normal: to take and not give back, to deceive, to set up. If so, then I really don't understand anything about normal friendly relationships.
And Vigo turned out to be an innocent lamb again, who was unfairly and groundlessly offended.
Well, what? Forgive me, baby...
ICQ 245338291
Ник в лоби - Kilgory
13 years ago
Auto-translated
Kilgor,
I'll answer for them right away.
Advocates - This person, who is a nobody, brazenly slanders Vigo.
Then Vigo will come, laugh, and say, "What questions do you have for me? I don't see any questions." And the payment is settled in full.
Advocates - well, we have Vigo's word (an honest and decent person, we've had drinks with him twice) against the word of a "nobody."
In reply to Vigo
User Avatar
13 years ago
Auto-translated
Vigo
Slow down! ))) Sergey didn't pay the prizes with his own money! )))
What else is more shameful for you? You know perfectly well that, for the sake of the Portal's honor, Catch (the Portal's master) paid with his own money, as Gorbik couldn't at that time.
And you are twisting phrases again, counting on their incompleteness and the lack of awareness of most people: here, the prizes were paid to the winners, and Gorbik didn't pay them, which supposedly = Vigo fulfilled his obligations.

How can you defile this noble act of Catch with these mocking posts? - that's the height of cynicism.
In reply to Neoandy
User Avatar
13 years ago
Auto-translated
Neoandy
Could you please provide more details here?
This was our first MP; I already wrote in this thread about the oddities of the Vigo match. /topic/at/186922/ There, he easily reaches consensus on 114, while Vigo repeatedly stated everywhere that he is a noob and doesn't reach consensus before 3 weeks. And the style of the report suggests Vitalik's authorship. I was wrong – there were 7 matches. In the team, along with HP, were vitalic and Vigo. Vigo's 2 clean victories over scorp then caused great surprise in our team. I repeat, at that time it was just surprise, nothing more. No complaints. And in the next MP, Vigo wasn't supposed to play; he was banned by you. That's why Aladdin came into play. Thank you for not letting him join the team.
In reply to Neoandy
User Avatar
13 years ago
Auto-translated
Neoandy
What could be more shameful for you? You perfectly know that, for the sake of the Portal's honor, Catch (the Portal master) paid with his own money, as Gorbik couldn't at that time.
And you are twisting phrases again, counting on their ambiguity and the lack of awareness among most people: here, the prize money was paid, and Gorbik didn't pay it, which supposedly means Vigo fulfilled his obligations.

How can you, with these mocking posts, defile the noble act of Catch? This is the height of cynicism.
You're not quite right.
On the contrary, I am very grateful to Sergey and Oleg for their understanding and help in resolving that issue! And the Tournament was also created to honor and respect the Portal! My problems are MY problems! The guys helped me solve them! All prizes have been paid! I publicly apologized for the delays and circumstances. The money for the prize payments was taken as a credit from a private investor's fund. My relationships, payments, contracts, and everything else should not concern anyone! (Except those who are closely involved!)
And what does this have to do with maphacking and unfair play?!
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

In reply to Captain
User Avatar
13 years ago
Auto-translated
Captain

But there's also this – Vitalik, for example, proved his incredible skill in the club, but he was banned.

Actually, it was the other way around: first, Vitalik was accused of cheating (but not banned – don't exaggerate), and only after that did he come to the CIS championship in Kyiv (which Bayazet won), and, by the way, showed a rather average level of play (but he came and played!). And it was the club games + the passage of a certain time after the accusations of cheating on the Portal that gave the player a second chance. I personally invited him to play in the Premier League.

Even a criminal record is eventually removed and expunged, and everyone should have a second chance.
In reply to Neoandy
User Avatar
13 years ago
Auto-translated
Neoandy
Actually, it was the other way around. Vitalik was first recognized as a cheater (but not banned – don't exaggerate), and only after that did he come to the CIS championship in Kyiv (which Bayazet won), and, by the way, showed a rather average level of play (but he came and played!). And it was the club games + the passage of a certain time after the accusations of cheating on the Portal that gave the player a second chance. I personally invited him to play in the Premier League.

Even a criminal record is eventually removed and paid off, and everyone should have a second chance.
Well, it's good that you became a mega-super-puper player! There's someone to be proud of! You had good teachers! )))
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

Statistics

Welcome our newest member: recijeb