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Tournament Committee Closed Topic
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Single choice Public votes Closed 2012-12-18
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Vigo deserves to be on the Blacklist
81.4% 48 votes
Vigo was unfairly added to the Blacklist and should be removed from it
18.6% 11 votes
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I don't understand why all of this is being cut. There were accusations, there were discussions, we're waiting for a poll/vote, so why was it all removed?
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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I really don't understand why all of this is being cut. There were accusations, there were discussions, we're waiting for a poll/vote, why was it all cut? (((
I'm cutting it because:
Vigo
Ask a specific question! My eyes are already tired from all the posts.


Here's a specific question:
How much money did you personally pay out of your own pocket for the tournament with a prize pool of 1000 USD, which you organized?
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Dirty_Player
I'm cutting this because:


Here's a specific question:
How much money was paid out of your pocket for the tournament with a prize pool of 1000 USD, which you organized?
All prizes in monetary equivalent were paid to everyone.
What does this have to do with the accusation?
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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Vigo
All prizes in monetary form have been paid out to everyone.
I am quite satisfied with this answer. It contains all the necessary information. Let numOne ask any further questions.
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Dёti is one of the most ruthless moderators! He's certainly good-looking! But we wanted to hear all the pros and cons here and weigh them to decide about me! As Namvan said, let's create a psychological profile to determine or define. Please don't delete posts; it might make things even worse in the forum and lead to accusations of restricting freedom of speech (((
Or just close this thread! So that people have something to do in the world of Heroes, instead of just gossiping about others.
Post a poll and let everyone decide; I'm tired of sitting at the computer for days and waiting for concrete actions from the administration ((
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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Screamer1982
Dear Vigo! I hope that you and the moderators will perceive my question adequately. How old are you? I understand that you are not 20 years old if your son is about 15. This is regarding the "psychological profile."
I will be 35 on February 14th, so I am still young, we can address each other informally.
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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Children is one of the most ruthless moderators! He's a handsome guy, of course! But we wanted to hear all the pros and cons here and weigh them to decide about me! As Namwan said, we need to create a psychological profile to determine or identify. Please don't delete posts, because that might make things even worse in the forum due to restricting freedom of speech (((
Or just close this thread! So that the guys have something to do in the world of Heroes, and not just criticize each other.
Post a poll and let everyone decide, I'm tired, I've been sitting at the computer for 24 hours and waiting for concrete actions from the forum admins ((
Let's weigh the pros and cons. Everything will be. We'll just do everything properly and without rushing. We'll create a poll if needed. Don't rush things, it's better to take a break and come back with renewed energy to answer questions. If you're right, you have nothing to fear :)

Until the forum admins officially respond and present the facts for the ban, it's too early to vote.
Everything has its time. What's the rush?
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Kostya, please don't delete:

1. In my opinion, Vigo is openly mocking the Arbitration Committee (AK). In court, for disrespecting them, this is resolved very quickly: from a fine to administrative arrest. Mockery won't work there.

2. I don't see the point in trying to extract answers from Vigo to questions that have been asked 125 times. It's obvious that if he doesn't want to answer them, he won't. Continuing the flood in the thread is a method to conclude that everything is vague and unclear, and if that's the case, then the accusations should be dropped.

3. I believe that, regardless, everyone has the right to a trial by public opinion. And the main goal of creating the AK is to serve the players. If Vigo asks the public to give an assessment of this problem, then let the public give it; this cannot be denied. It (the public) is the source of the power that the AK was given. It's like a referendum, if you will.

4. If the AK has anything else to present before the vote, it needs to do so. Accordingly, Vigo should comment on the AK's new arguments.
The Heroes community is not stupid; they will draw conclusions and reflect them in the vote.

For this event, set a clear deadline (say, until the end of the week), and close the thread for that time.
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Let's weigh the pros and cons. Everything will be fine. We'll just do everything properly and without rushing. We'll hold a vote if necessary. Don't rush things; it's better to take a break and come back with renewed energy to answer questions. If you're right, you have nothing to fear.


Everything has its time. What's the rush?

I've already dealt with that a long time ago. One of my life principles is to never put off until tomorrow what you can do today.
I'm waiting for a response from the AK! As long as I have the strength, I'll keep waiting.
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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Kostya, please don't delete this:
1. I think Vigo is openly mocking AK. In court, for disrespecting him, this is resolved very quickly: from a fine to administrative arrest. Mockery won't work there.
2. I don't see the point in trying to get answers from Vigo to questions that have been asked 125 times. It's obvious that if he doesn't want to answer them, he won't. Continuing the flood in the topic is a way to conclude that everything is vague and unclear, and if that's the case, then the accusations should be dropped.
3. I believe that, in any case, everyone has the right to a public trial. And the main goal of AK is to serve the players. If Vigo asks the public to assess this problem, then let the public assess it; this cannot be denied. It (the public) is the source of power that AK was endowed with. It's like a referendum, if you want.
4. If AK has anything else to present before the vote, it needs to do so. Accordingly, Vigo should comment on AK's new arguments.
The Heroes community is not stupid; they will draw conclusions and reflect them in the vote.
For this event, set a clear deadline (say, until the end of the week) and close the topic for that time.
Excellent suggestion. I would add that the voting topic should be formatted with only two posts: 1) AK's arguments. 2) Vigo's counterarguments. Everyone else just votes.
"Шанс есть всегда, но не везде." ;)
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The topic is closed until questions arise.
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The topic is closed until questions arise.

Well, Kostya, you really outdid yourself. It only took me 3 hours to be away.

Here's a post from Merlin that you deleted:
Comment by Sir Gorbik (dated December 6, 2012):
"He was banned on my side solely because he promised a tournament with a prize pool of 1000 USD,
which he still hasn't paid out.
The portal settled the payments for him."
http://heroesportal.net/tavern/?id=256379&pagenum=16

This shows that Vigo's only response up to this point has been a lie!
He didn't answer the other questions.
The questions were asked clearly, and there are still no reasonable answers to them. The topic was created for discussion. On the first page, I myself asked players who have something relevant to say to speak up.

Here are the questions again. Answer them, Vigo.
And please, stop lying and evading the answer.
numOne

Here are Vigo's "answers" to the questions posed, for reference:
1. All prizes were paid! With a delay (my fault), but everyone received them. Huge thanks for the support of the leading members of HP in that event!!! - they weren't paid by you, i.e., your answer is evasive and a lie
2. Yes, it happened. In several games, seasonal or tournament ones, experienced players made some moves for me while I was absent and with my consent. - no answer.
3. There is no fake. (damn, I don't even know what that word means )))), these posts really existed. But they were at the same time, after which we all came to an understanding together. - did you come to an understanding?
4. I already explained about skill - no answer
5. About playing with Seven as well - no answer

Here are Vigo's "answers" to the questions posed, for reference:
1. All prizes were paid! With a delay (my fault), but everyone received them. Huge thanks for the support of the leading members of HP in that event!!! -they weren't paid by you, i.e., your answer is evasive and a lie
2. Yes, it happened. In several games, seasonal or tournament ones, experienced players made some moves for me while I was absent and with my consent. - no answer.
3. There is no fake. (damn, I don't even know what that word means )))), these posts really existed. But they were at the same time, after which we all came to an understanding together. - did you come to an understanding?
4. I already explained about skill - no answer
5. About playing with Seven as well - no answer
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Kostya, what offline tournament are you talking about? When will it take place? What are you talking about? Everything will be clarified separately from this, and I perfectly know in whose favor it will turn out.
I just don't understand Vigo's logic:
With most negative votes from resource users - I wish everyone good luck, morale, mutual understanding, and love for our favorite game! Special thanks to the Creator of the resource and everyone who helped and continues to help him!
with most positive feedback - I ask them to publicly apologize to me for unfounded accusations and restore my status as a resident of this resource with all the powers of a resident!

Well, let's say that the majority votes for you; actually, this won't surprise me – many people don't want to get involved and simply feel sorry for punishing someone, no matter what they do; many know Vigo in real life and don't want to spoil their relationship with him; Qwerty will bring his entire clan, etc. It doesn't really matter.
What matters is that even if 60/40 votes in favor of Vigo – 40% will still not trust him and will not want to play tournaments with him. Think about it.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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What I don't understand is Vigo's logic:

Let's say the majority votes for him; that wouldn't surprise me at all – many don't want to delve into the issue and simply don't want to punish someone, no matter what they've done; many know Vigo in real life and won't want to ruin their relationship with him; Qwerty will rally his entire clan, and so on. That's not the point.

To avoid "biased" voting at someone's request and to hear the opinions of players who are truly familiar with Vigo and the third game, it's enough to introduce a voting threshold based on several parameters: registration date, the number of reports on games played in the third game online. Something like that. To minimize the distortion of the forum members' real opinions.
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1. Did Vitalik play as you in official tournament games with your consent for the entire match? If so, who was he playing against?
2. Who played against me in a match on Jebus? Who was that person? Specifically.

Just so I don't "accidentally" miss it.
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Please, avoid posting off-topic comments and your personal opinions in this thread. It should only contain questions and answers. Otherwise, it will be difficult for regular users to filter all this information and grasp the main points in 18 pages of discussion.
I really don't want to issue violation points. Please understand... and forgive

Andrey, please delete all the off-topic comments from all pages, leaving only the most important information so that anyone who opens the thread can immediately understand the main points.

Regarding the topic. I think everyone understands that Vigo didn't pay a single penny for the tournament.

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