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Should we remove the following penalty items from the Violation System?
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Offline Нэйко
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4.22. For publicly discussing the actions of moderators, coordinators, or administrators: 50 violation points.
4.9. For any direct or indirect insults towards users, third parties, or organizations: 25 violation points.
I don't want to offend anyone, but it seems to me that this arrangement is somewhat unfair. Why are only 25 points given for insults, while 50 points are given for expressing one's opinion about the work of a moderator? Why is a harsher violation that offends people's feelings penalized with fewer points than attempting to express one's own opinion? If we are talking about fairness, then criticizing the actions of moderators should result in no more than 25 points.
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Offline Wistrit
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Points for everyone, bans for everyone. Everyone will get points and a ban. What did you think it would be? We take things seriously here. The forum isn't just a place for chatting, ha-ha! You naive worms. The forum is a place for handing out bans. (This was trolling and an insult; 185 points should be awarded immediately.)
People who visit the forum once every three months and haven't done anything useful for it are screaming about some rules. Oh my god. Is Mestear bothering someone? Or maybe Morning? I doubt they're actively ruining the atmosphere or earning medals through dishonest means. The rules were probably written to prevent some idiocy, like registering for a tournament with five accounts or something.
A year has passed, and the desire for revenge from inadequate individuals hasn't subsided. Tons of nonsense. People slam the door ten times a day.
The rules are not being used for the purposes for which they were created.
RULES. TROLLING. TROLLING EVERYWHERE. FIVE HUNDRED POINTS FOR TROLLING BECAUSE HE SAID I'M DOING THINGS WRONG, I'M A CLEAR TROLL. THERE ARE ONLY TROLLS ON THE FORUM, WHAT'S HAPPENING.
And you could also give a thousand points for discussing the actions of moderators. No, better two thousand, just in case. What kind of rule is that? Has it ever been used for anything other than "I messed with you, but don't judge me, write to the Creator"?
In general, this is nonsense. Horrible nonsense. Soon, moderators will be banning people for registering at the wrong time.
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Offline Arandor
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some people earn medals through unfair means.
In intra-clan tournaments. lol

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Offline Alessandro
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I would like to raise the question more specifically regarding changes to the Violation System... http://forum.heroesworld.ru/faq.php?faq=hw_help_system#faq_hw_help_system_violations

Therefore, I suggest voting in the Poll...

Should the following items be removed from the Violation System (i.e., not considered violations for which points can be awarded)?

4.1. - (For having more than 15% and less than 30% of irrelevant content in a message)
4.2. - (For having more than 15% and less than 30% of off-topic content in a message)
4.3. - (For having more than 30% of irrelevant content in a message)
4.4. - (For having more than 30% of off-topic content in a message)
4.5. - (For creating a duplicate topic on the forum)
4.6. - (For a message containing flame)
4.7. - (For a message containing trolling)
4.9. - (For any direct or indirect insults to users, third parties, or organizations)
4.15. - (For addressing other users using nicknames different from their original ones, if the user does not like this type of address)
4.22. - (For publicly discussing the actions of moderators, coordinators, or administrators)
4.23. - (For a false appeal)
4.24. - (For violating the appeal format (any extra messages in the appeal topic that contradict its format as described in the rules))

This does not mean that a Moderator (Coordinator) will not have the right to delete a post whose content falls under the above items.
But it does mean that Violation Points cannot be assigned for this... (of course, if this proposal is implemented).
It's hard to answer. I agree with some points, but not with others.
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Offline Mestear
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Here's what happened: my submission was reviewed, but for some reason, some of the voting moderators submitted their votes in the wrong format, so they didn't receive points, as expected. And one of the moderators even has a signature that violates the portal's rules, XD. But Tox and some other user have points deducted for violating the appeal format – 10.0. Hmm.
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Offline ToX
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I don't consider myself a criminal; I behave nicely and don't act rudely. God will be their judge, that's all.
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Offline Слоныш
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Tox, I personally asked the Creator not to ban you because of these points. :) Is this how you show your gratitude? Well, God is your judge. :)

And yes, someone was complaining about moderators not receiving points – according to the Forum Rules, only coordinators or administrators can assign penalty points to moderators.
So, if you're really bothered, send them a private message, demand it, seek and you shall find.
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Offline Mestear
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Slonysh
And yes, someone was upset about the fact that moderators weren't assigning penalty points – according to the Forum Rules, only coordinators or administrators can assign penalty points to moderators.
So, if you're really bothered, send them a private message, demand it, seek and you shall find.
And? -------------
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I used to just ban people, but yesterday I figured out how to assign points. I can help.
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Offline Amko
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Slonysh

And yes, someone was complaining about the fact that moderators weren't being given penalty points – according to the Forum Rules, only coordinators or administrators can give penalty points to moderators.
So, if you feel strongly about it, send them a private message, demand it, seek and you shall find.
Discussion of possible actions by coordinators/administrators, 50 penalty points given to Slonysh.
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Offline Mestear
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Dirty_Player
I used to just ban people, but yesterday I figured out how to assign penalty points. I can help :D
It would be really great if the violation system worked the same way for regular users and for those in higher positions. In fact, it would be fantastic.
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Offline Dirty_Player
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Mestear
It would be quite good if the violation system worked equally for both regular users and higher-ranking ones. In fact, it would be excellent.
If I see a serious violation, I won't make any allowances, regardless of whether the person is a moderator or not. There are situations where the problem can be solved simply by deleting posts and issuing a warning. I believe that a moderator should not allow themselves to blatantly violate the rules, because by taking on the role of moderator, they should understand who they are and what they are doing.
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That's the problem. A moderator's job is to maintain order in **their** section, not to run around the forum and award points for posts in sections they weren't assigned to. Especially when a moderator hasn't been active on the forum for several months, or even a year or more, they still rank higher than other users and have certain privileges. A good example is the first, and so far only, appeal that was completed not long ago. For clarity, among those who voted in it:
RAPER, last message on the forum: 27.03.2012
Alex Ghost: 09.12.2011
Alex_soldier: 26.02.2008 (five years ago).
Am I the only one who thinks that those who don't show any activity on the forum and are probably not even aware of what's going on shouldn't be deciding the fate of other users?
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Offline Слоныш
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A great example is the first, and so far only, appeal that was completed recently. For clarity, among those who voted in it were:
RAPER, last message on the forum: 03/27/2012
Alex Ghost: 12/09/2011
Alex_soldier: 02/26/2008 (five years ago).
Am I the only one who thinks that those who don't show any activity on the forum and are most likely not even aware of what's going on shouldn't be deciding the fate of other users?
First, the essence of what happened was outlined in the initial posts, in accordance with the appeal rules. Moreover, the affected party is given the right to a second statement, which is clearly a bonus – there is an opportunity to counter-argue specific points.

Second, the last message doesn't necessarily mean that they haven't visited the forum for that long. Not writing =/= not reading or not being present.

And third, impartiality only increases objectivity. Judges in court don't live with the defendant's family for six months to better understand what their life is like and how they ended up in this situation, do they? They take the data, consider it, and make a decision. That's it.
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