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One way to deceive a town is to pretend to be someone else, which is what Tox did, albeit rather clumsily.

If there's a hint and no modkill is received, even a fool will realize that the player pretending to be that role is not actually that role.

This works in psychomafia, but in ulitkomafia, you can't blatantly pretend to be someone else.

I don't know where this came from, but it should be punished in both directions, regardless of whether it's a false reveal or a real reveal.

Does the moderator forbid it? If it's not obvious from the game that a player is clearly not playing the role they're pretending to be, and it's also not clear whether they definitively belong to another faction, then it's acceptable.

Punishing both sides for revealing roles is excessive; forbidding the Mafia from lying when their survival often depends on it is also excessive.

Punishing only the town for revealing roles is foolish for the reasons mentioned above, but it's better than nothing.

However, in our games, only Tox reveals roles; the others play fairly.

Is it okay for a team to "modkill" a player who, during the day, supposedly revealed a Mafia member as a townie to gain an advantage? If someone is so bothered by reveals (even if it's just one player, haha), then they can be punished through external methods: sanctions or being excluded from the next n games, but not by "modkilling" or issuing warnings during the current game.

sanctions or being excluded from the next n games, but not by "modkilling" or issuing warnings during the current game.

there's a huge difference between revealing and pretending

Okay, then the town reveals its roles, and then, based on the results of the night actions, confirms its reveals.

Not to lie, but to clearly reveal another's role.

Not better. The rules should not differ for different sides.

Many people reveal their role to some extent. But if we are talking about Tox's merits, it was he who started the practice of fully revealing a peaceful role when it is being accused.

If you like reveals, false reveals, and pretending to be other roles, then go play psychological mafia, what's the problem?
Don't mix everything together. In Werewolf, negative actions can be countered in other ways: by framing someone with false evidence, with night actions/skipping actions, etc.
Here, the point is different: the town should not be allowed to give obvious hints about its roles - this is what really makes it difficult for the mafia to confuse things.

Does "Adept" break the game?

In theory, yes. Ideally, if you pretend to be a role by building it only through your own behavior, then why not? But it should have nothing to do with hints.

It is precisely the fact that the restrictions work in both directions that increases the likelihood that a violation of the rules will not affect the course of the game.

If a Mafia player is pretending to be a certain role, they don't do it randomly.

You should also read the previous posts.

But as I wrote in the previous post, it should be well-thought-out, not just a modkill for the sake of it.

Subtle hints don't work for modkills anyway.

Of course, they should. They already differ, considering the specifics of each side. But, as I wrote in the previous post, they should be well-thought-out, not just a modkill for everyone at the expense of introducing them.

Ment cited quotes from Tox and Neyra's messages, said that Neyra deserves a punishment, and you disagreed. I also think that she doesn't deserve it, but modkills are not given for such ambiguous hints.

Read above.

Maybe we should move this to the discussion section?

They would be meaningful if they could have multiple meanings.

A peaceful player, or "Khokhol" (explained below), reveals another (strong) player's role in order to protect them. Where is the "unveiling" here? It's actually beneficial.

But the bluff doesn't reveal all the cards, as there is always more than one interpretation (there's room for maneuver).

But where autopsies are prohibited, the player can emphasize something, and this will give him away to other players. No one prohibited mumbling with a closed mouth.

"If a player reveals their role but doesn't get any kills, then they must be Mafia."