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Anti-cheat recipe. Each participant in a match (any tournament) is REQUIRED to stream their game from the moment of the first unit generation, and do so completely, i.e., without any blank spaces or applications that are not visible, including instant messaging programs, Skype, and other similar applications.
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A recipe for anti-cheat.
Each participant in a match (any tournament) MUST stream their game from the moment of the first unit generation, and do so completely, i.e., without any blank spots or applications that are not visible, including instant messengers, Skype, and so on.
Merlin, go get some sleep. :)
Or are you just here to troll this site?
Doesn't the idea of a second computer in the house ever occur to you?
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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Merlin, go get some sleep :)
Or are you just here to mess around?
Doesn't the thought of having a second computer in the house ever cross your mind?

During the stream, should I password-protect (or, as an alternative, give another person access via Radmin) the Heroes folder? Or should I set a download restriction?
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MerlinTheMagician
Anti-cheat recipe.
Each participant in a match (any tournament) MUST stream their game from the moment of the first unit generation, and do so completely, without any blank spots or hidden applications, including instant messaging programs, Skype, and other similar software.
Especially those with a poor internet connection.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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I know a better recipe. Merlin visits the player and makes sure they don't cheat.
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It's much simpler – a server is set up, and players connect to it via remote terminal. The game is installed on the server, and the saves are stored there as well. The player has all access rights to the files restricted, so they can't obtain these saves. That's it; it's impossible to tamper with the map. However, throughout the history of hockey... oops, I mean, Heroes :D, no one has ever done something like this.
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As far as I remember, Asm wanted to implement this in WT, reserving the "anti-cheat" option (maps and saves were supposed to be created on his server). However, I can't say how much progress has been made on the implementation of this idea.

In general, I noticed about the Chinese players, and it was later confirmed in a conversation with Gomunguls, that they move very quickly. In the first week, my opponent's turns took from 1 to 3 minutes (I started to think that either the map was terrible or he was just a noob), and then he took a ramp and a crypt in about 5 seconds (I saw that part of the respawn point from the overview). I decided that I must have imagined it and simply didn't believe my eyes, but Gomunguls reported the same thing. I don't think they are taking objectives on quick play... Maybe they have some kind of program they created? We use the HD mod or Lighter, but were they informed about this? (question for Sticky). In the case where the "list" of allowed programs was not announced or agreed upon, I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese are using something and consider it normal, while we might consider it unfair play.

But I'm getting at this (about the speed of turns) to say that the fact doesn't support the idea of cheating. Because physically, it's difficult to manage to make a turn and do a quality maphack in such a short time, and secondly, it's illogical. Yes, you can do it while the opponent is taking their turn, but why rush with your own turn instead of taking your time to open the map and look, making turns on average in 10+ minutes? - that's the question I have...
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Captain
Doesn't the idea of having a second computer in the house ever cross your mind?
What's next? I'm talking about minimizing risks – some people don't have two computers, and we'll exclude that segment this way. And we could also require that all network settings be displayed.
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Or are you just coming to this site to be annoying?
Don't judge everyone by yourself...

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As far as I remember, Asm wanted to implement this in WT, by reserving the "anti-cheat" option (maps and saves should be created on his server). However, I can't say how much progress has been made on the implementation of the idea since then.
Asm wants to do a lot of things. And Asm also has to support his family: two children, for some reason – probably it's in his genes, they need to be fed...). And Asm works like Pinocchio's father... So he does what he can when he has time. Asm doesn't receive any financial support from WT. So what do you want, comrade Neo?... Why don't you take it upon yourself and implement the idea?... It's easy to talk, but it's not the same as doing.
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You're contradicting yourself. It's impossible to present a lie logically.



Are you serious?
If so... then it's quite possible...
С истиной где-то рядом...





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How do you think the court understands the law? From a logical or emotional perspective?
This reminded me of something:
"He is, of course, guilty, but... he is not guilty..." (c) :)



The court evaluates the evidence... and how it is presented... whether it's logic or emotion, it's not as important as the evidence itself... both sides present evidence (materials)... that is, the main thing is the presence of this material... and the form of presentation... is just a form...
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And why does it have to be me who shoves people's own words back in their faces and points out the holes in their statements and conclusions?.. :( Probably because such things immediately stand out due to professional training.
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Anti-cheat recipe.
Every participant of a match (of any tournament) MUST...

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What's next? I'm talking about minimizing risks - some people don't have two computers and we'll exclude that segment this way.

which is not the same thing, but by substituting concepts we keep asserting further. You can do this like in a children's fairy tale: swap a cow for a goat, and a goat for a duck, and keep swapping until you get a beating from the grandma :D
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Asm wants to do a lot of things.
Commendable.
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Also, Asm should:
I think every other person here already owes that, and so what?
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There is no monetary support from BT for Asm. So what do you want, Comrade Neo, huh?
We don't want anything, the conversation started about anti-cheat recipes. I remembered that. :)
Or did I demand something from Asm somewhere? :eek:
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Because talking shit is easier than hauling sacks...
Now that's true, so stop talking shit ;)
P.S.: although in fact, as a rule, people get paid more for the ability to talk shit than for the ability to haul sacks :D
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The court evaluates the evidence... and how it is presented... whether logic or emotion, it doesn't really matter... the parties present evidence (materials)... so the main thing is the presence of these materials... and the form of presentation... is just a form...

Did you just imagine all that to yourself?
I think most people here will tell you that the form of presentation matters for achieving results. Otherwise, the legal profession wouldn't be needed. You could just send a pile of papers (evidence) in an envelope, and the court would of course figure out themselves what and, most importantly, on what basis (form of presentation) they are proving.
Take my word for it, if you give the same set of evidence for similar cases to different lawyers, their results will far from always be the same.
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Neoandy

Is that just your imagination?
I think most people here would agree that the way something is presented matters, in order to achieve a result. Otherwise, the profession of lawyer wouldn't be necessary. You send a bunch of papers (evidence) in an envelope, and the court is supposed to figure out what's important and, most importantly, on what basis (the form of presentation) they are proving their case.
Believe me, if you give the same set of evidence for similar cases to different lawyers, the results will not always be the same.


I just want to say... that the court should not be swayed by the logic or illogicality of a lawyer's (or non-lawyer's) arguments. Neither logic nor emotions should influence the decision. Evidence and materials are what the court should consider and evaluate, not logic or emotions.
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Doesn't an open map increase the turn time? I'm a bit surprised by the "amateurishness" of our experts. Especially to Navuh, whom I've finally added to the list of cheaters, although I've been hinting at it for a while... 1. In general, I've been doing quite well with these two versions, and I'm even a little sad, but I have to disappoint you deeply. I play 90% of my games with screen recording, so if I don't possess voodoo magic, I don't know how to have two game windows open and still pretend to be aiming. 2. The situation was this: I usually read the Warlock's Tower chat in my free time, and before starting a SOD match, I was looking at a Warlock's Tower map. You can't close the Warlock's Tower window without also closing the chat, so I was playing with two windows open. I was a little surprised when my opponent said that HD-MOD was signaling two versions on my side. There was another time when Warlock's Tower players asked me to check a map for bugs, and while taking a break from SOD online, I did that, which again angered HD-MOD's maphack protection.
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Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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I just want to say...
Well, you are right in some ways from the perspective of an ordinary person. But I'm telling you what it's really like in a real court (which we somewhat emulate in Heroes situations). There are obvious situations. You paid the fee/for the goods/services/taxes - you presented the receipt, and there's nothing to discuss, no need for logic or emotions. The interpretation is simple and unambiguous. But there are also borderline situations that are not clearly defined in the law, situations that are 50/50. And in these cases, everyone tries to pull the blanket over to their side (a favorite pastime of tax authorities :). In such cases, the "talent" of a lawyer comes into play, which lies in the ability to prove that the law regulates the disputed situation in their favor, and not vice versa. And he will prove this with the help of logic, not emotions. That's why I added the caveat about a professional court above. Because in practice, district courts often, due to their low qualifications, may decide the case in favor of the one who shouts louder (based on emotions), considering him right for this reason. The same often happens when resolving Heroes problems, especially when discussions are held on forums. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

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Doesn't an open map increase the turn time?
Well, the time spent viewing the map before making the optimal move (otherwise, why look at the map :confused:) + the time spent on the move itself, according to the laws of mathematics, should increase the total value. Although I can't say for sure, as I don't have experience playing with an open map :p
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You are right in some respects from the perspective of an ordinary person.
But I am telling you what the reality is in a real court (which we somewhat emulate in the game's situations).


I can afford to do so because I represent the interests of a state agency in court when appealing actions...

I want to convey to you that neither emotions nor the logic of the parties will influence the court's decision if the level of judging is sufficiently high. And that is correct – the court needs materials and evidence, and nothing else...
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Лето 2010.
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