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And from a moral point of view, there are different ways to look at it. a) Consider modding as part of the rules. Then everything is fine. Well, it's like a trade-off. You pay with the life of a character for the opportunity to express all your thoughts. b) As a disregard for the rules. Well, it's like I agreed to the rules just for show, but in reality, I don't care about them at all. I don't know, I like both options. Normal people might not like either, or only the second one. I don't know. I have specific, distorted ideas about society.

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No, this goal falls into the category of: "The city will reveal its roles to each other, and in this way, it will win!"
By the way, after that incident, some people started to freak out, or they continue to do so.
Что такое осень - это небо
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No, this goal falls into the category of: "The city will reveal its roles to each other, and in this way, it will achieve victory!"
Yes, exactly. Modkill is a tool for achieving victory.

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Молодое зло телами в масле
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#248
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Well, from a moral standpoint, there are different ways to look at it.
a) Consider mod killing as part of the rules. Then everything is fine. It's like a business transaction. You pay with the life of a character for the opportunity to express all your thoughts.
b) As a disregard for the rules. It's like, I agreed to the rules just for show, but in reality, I don't care about them.

I don't know, I like both options. Normal people might not like any of them, or maybe just the second one. I don't know. I have specific, distorted ideas about society.
I'm not a fan of the system and all sorts of frameworks, but this was already an abuse. If Tox allowed himself to do something like that, then others have the right to do the same. And if everyone repeated his act, could it be called a game? No.
Что такое осень - это небо
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By the way, after that incident, some people started to freak out, or they continue to do so.
It's their right, as stated in the game's terms. If this issue escalates, something needs to be changed in the rules themselves. Change it in such a way that no one even thinks about exploiting it. But in my opinion, it's a funny feature. It annoys people, allows you to win, so it's not useless. It's just a different truth, a different perspective on the game.

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It seems that law school has brainwashed me. That's bad, droogi!

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it's their right, as stated in the game rules. If this issue escalates, something needs to be changed in the rules themselves. Change it in a way that no one even thinks about revealing their role. But in my opinion, it's a fun feature. It annoys people, allows you to win, so it's not pointless. It's just a different truth, a different perspective on the game.

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it seems that law school has brainwashed me. That's bad, droogi!
This rule is not complicated at all, and the game depends on it - not revealing your role. A game where you can reveal yourself is no longer Mafia. If you don't like the rule, play something else.
Что такое осень - это небо
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This rule isn't complicated at all, and the game hinges on it – not revealing your role. A game where you can reveal yourself is no longer Mafia. If you don't like the rule, play something else.
Lynx, I understand your position, honestly! And I even recognize the importance of this rule for the gameplay. The thing is, modkill is a loophole in the rules for those who prioritize winning. And I understand their position too, because I am one of those bastards who sometimes go to great lengths to win. Although lately, I've been trying to restrain myself because the reward doesn't justify the means. Even here, it's egoism.

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As an option, we could make the consequences for violating this rule more severe. Or we could accept it, because I'm sure Toxa isn't bothered by it. And I wouldn't be either. In general, I think you can understand me now. So, I've said my piece.

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You, Mona, wanted to say something? Don't hesitate, let's talk!

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Lynx, I understand your position, honestly! And I even realize the importance of this rule for the gameplay. The thing is, modkill is a loophole for those for whom winning is important. And I understand their position too, because I am one of those bastards who sometimes go to great lengths to win. Although lately I've been trying to restrain myself, because the reward doesn't justify the effort. Even here, it's egoism.
Aaa... well, it's not far to mental disorders if you try to assert yourself in everything and be a winner. Never losing is also bad; you'll constantly be stuck in the same place, with no development. Just send the non-disclosure agreement faster.

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As an option, we could make the consequences of violating this rule more severe. Or accept it, because I'm sure Toxa doesn't feel any remorse. And I wouldn't either. In general, I think I can be understood now. So, I've said my piece.
He should have been punished then; the "Heaven" incident proved it.
Что такое осень - это небо
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Aaa... well, it's not far to mental disorders if you try to assert yourself in everything and be a winner. Never losing is also bad; you'll constantly be stuck in the same place, with no development. Send the next draft faster.
This isn't an attempt to assert myself, or at least not only an attempt. Because, in reality, there's no one to assert myself against. Or rather, you can only assert yourself against yourself. It seems like an obvious fact. For me, it's a feeling of struggle, a thrill. A kind of adrenaline rush. A battle of wits. Well, I don't know, you can play in different ways, as I said. And playing like this can also be fun under certain internal conditions.

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Violating the rules, including communicating in private messages, etc., spoils the impression of the game itself. It simply becomes meaningless. Quitting due to frustration because people are annoying, leaving the game, and going to drink beer. Well, okay, I can do that. )) In short, such actions are the only way to save your sanity.
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Mona
Violating the rules, including communicating privately, spoils the impression of the game itself. It then simply loses its meaning.

To reveal your role because you're fed up, leave the game, and go have a beer.
Well, okay, I can do that.
))
In short, such twists are the only way to save your mind.
But what if it's not because you're "fed up"? What if it's a calculated move, as an element of the gameplay? Is that also not allowed?

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arbitrariness. If Tox allowed himself to do something like that, then others have the right to do the same.
“A trembling creature or do I have the right?”

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This isn't an attempt to assert oneself, or at least not just that. Because, in reality, there's no one to assert oneself against. Or rather, you can only do it in relation to yourself. It seems like an obvious fact. For me, it's a feeling of struggle, a thrill. A kind of adrenaline rush. A battle of wits. Well, I don't know, you can play in different ways, as I said. And playing like that can also be fun under certain internal conditions.
A battle of wits? Well, yes, that's interesting, but where do you see a battle of wits in revealing roles, or in an action that deserves a modkill? A victory obtained in this way is nothing, just zero. Being able to admit your defeat is admirable; I've never respected those who will go to any lengths just to win (when the chances are absolutely zero). Such people only disgust me.
Что такое осень - это небо
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A battle of wits? Well, yes, that's interesting, but where do you see a battle of wits in revealing roles or in an action that deserves a "modkill"? A victory obtained in this way is nothing, just zero. Being able to admit defeat is honorable; I've never respected those who will do anything just to win (when the chances are absolutely zero); such people only disgust me.
A battle of wits is possible. I'm sure of it. You calculate the probabilities from such an angle that after your role is revealed, the others behave according to the scheme you've implanted in their minds before the reveal.
I've already written about the moral aspect. In general, the question is multifaceted, which is pleasing. And a victory can't be zero (in society); it might be zero for me/you/Vasily, but the ego of the winner will still derive pleasure from it.

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What if it's not because they're annoying? What if it's a calculated move as part of the gameplay? Is that also not allowed?
This isn't fair play. I think everyone will end up with a negative experience from something like this.
What's the point? You break the rules, gain an advantage, and will you be satisfied with your game afterwards? Winning with equal odds is where the fun is. )

One can hope for adherence to the rules))
I don't know... as a hippie on LSD, I've felt "annoyed" about ten times during a game, but I won't quit because of modding.))

Okay, you're having a fascinating conversation here, I'm going to move on.
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Какие бы законы мы не писали,
нас все равно расстреляют,
если мы проиграем эту войну.