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Offline Саня Изи
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For me, the inability to move forward, develop, and the danger of degradation are much worse than death.

What will you do when you can get everything you want? And how are you going to develop? After all, a person's development only foreshadows the end of their life. And what does degradation consist of? Physical or mental?
Seriously, science cannot disprove or prove this, I can even prove that science cannot.

Science has proven that there is no material object called a "soul" that would be a carrier of certain characteristics of the deceased. And if it doesn't exist, what kind of afterlife can we even talk about, if all the information turns to dust?
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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{A hand reaches for a picture with a facepalm. No, I won't stoop to that! No! Aaaah, how difficult!}
Seriously, science can't disprove or prove this, and I can even prove that science can't. It simply doesn't align with the physical capabilities of a person. Sometimes it's useful to know what a person can actually study based on the scientific method, and where the limits of their capabilities lie.
But here's the catch. Either we believe that it's possible to fully understand the structure of the Universe (and thus prove/disprove the existence of God), or we are weak-willed agnostics and believe in the incomprehensibility of the world.
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What will you do when you can get everything you want?
Everything? I'll get the most accurate, detailed, and complete information about the world? Well, yes, I plan to finish with this in the near future, in a couple of months, maybe. :D
And what is the degradation? Physical or mental?
Of course, mental, physical is not so unpleasant.
After all, human development only foreshadows the end of his life.
And what doesn't foreshadow it? Or was the idea that death automatically puts an end to development? If so, I think otherwise: after death, a person is freed from his material shell, including his brain, which becomes a revolution in his development. Because, when he used the resources of the brain, he could only know the material, but then... Endless possibilities that are not limited by the laws of physics :)
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But that's not the case. Either we believe that it is possible to fully understand the structure of the Universe (and thus prove/disprove the existence of God), or we are weak-willed agnostics and believe in the incomprehensibility of the world.
The world is incomprehensible because there is demonstrably more information in it than there are molecules, so even if the entire Universe becomes someone's brain, it still won't have enough memory to know everything.
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Another argument about the incomprehensibility of the world, very simple: the Heisenberg uncertainty principle :)
 

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What will you do when you can get everything you want?
I'm curious, is such a moment even possible? I used to think that people always want something and strive for something. So, he gets what he wants, but won't he immediately want more? Isn't that how it works?
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If that's the case, I disagree: after death, a person is freed from their material shell, including the brain, which becomes a revolution in their development. After all, when they used the brain's resources, they could only comprehend the material world, but then... Endless possibilities that are not limited by the laws of physics.

Autotraining and self-deception, so to speak. The essence is lost; it will turn into dark matter, an unconscious substance. However, I won't impose my opinion; this is just my IMHO.
Well, he'll get what he wants, but won't he immediately want more? Isn't that right?

Human desires are not limitless. They are limited by a circle of basic needs and the creation of various social complexes.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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Science has proven that there is no material object called a "soul."
They discovered America.

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There is an opinion that with the help of science, a person can explore everything. With a small caveat: everything within the limits that God has set for a given moment in time. Humanity is moving forward in its development because God reveals a little more of the area for exploration each time. But in general, I am an atheist.
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The world is incomprehensible because there is inherently more information in it than there are molecules, so even if the entire Universe becomes someone's brain, it still won't have enough memory to know everything.
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Another argument about the incomprehensibility of the world, very simple: Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.
In my opinion, a complete understanding of the world is equivalent to knowing all its laws. For example, why do we need to know at what point and with what speed an electron moves? It is enough to know one general physical principle of electron movement.
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Can you give an example of mental degradation that, for you, is worse than death, Ment?
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There is an opinion that with the help of science, a person can explore everything. With a small caveat: everything within the limits that God has established for a given moment in time. Humanity is moving forward in its development because God reveals a little more of the area for exploration each time.

The so-called God cannot control this consciously, because it is an unconscious movement of energy flows.

It's a different matter if "God" is understood as some other intelligent form of civilization that can control people... But this is highly doubtful, because if there were certain signals, they would have been detected long ago.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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In my opinion, a complete understanding of the world is equivalent to knowing all its laws. For example, why do we need to know at what point and with what speed an electron moves? It is enough to know one general physical principle of electron movement.
How do physical laws differ from physical matter? Is there 100% certainty that the principles of understanding physical laws differ from the principles of understanding through them?
There is an opinion that with the help of science, a person can explore everything. With a small caveat: everything within the limits that God has established for a given moment in time. Humanity is moving forward in its development because God reveals a little more of the area for research each time.
I don't know, I don't know. It seems to me that some artificial limits are not needed, and without them, there is always something to do. And in general, this would mean that physical laws are not static and that at one time, some laws operate, and at another time, others. After all, new laws often contradict old ones, and they only converge in a certain approximation.
But it's an interesting idea.
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the so-called God cannot control this consciously, because it is an unconscious movement of energy flows
What if randomness is actually pseudo-randomness? Hmm? Like in a computer, where not random, but pseudo-random numbers are actually generated, only here – with a certain meaning.
It's a different matter if, by God, we mean some other intelligent form of civilization that can control people... But this is highly doubtful, because if there were certain signals, they would have been located long ago.
Oh, horror... Do they have a remote control on radio frequencies? :D Or what signal are you going to locate?
No, forget about civilizations, it's already a perversion.
 

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I can give an example, but related to the game. I was playing and my God was quite powerful, knew a lot of magic, and I decided to randomly transform into different creatures. At first, everything was fine, but then something strange happened, and the magic power started to decrease, and in the end, something terrible happened, and my God (the main character) turned into a vegetable! He forgot how to cast spells, and I couldn't restore him to his normal form. He lived like that until he was killed. After that, I summoned him again with the help of priests, and thankfully, he was okay. So, it would have been better if he had died right away, and I had quickly summoned him again, rather than wasting so much time on him in the form of a vegetable.

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What if randomness is actually pseudo-randomness? Hmm? Like in a computer, where the numbers generated are not truly random, but pseudo-random, only here it has a specific meaning.

That's impossible, because then you're implying that "god" is some kind of creation that reasons in the same way as a human, but that can't be, since humans themselves are a product of randomness. And "pseudo-randomness" in a computer is just a simple program based on changing time, and it has nothing to do with "god."
Oh, the horror... Do they have a remote control that operates on radio frequencies?

No. Perhaps they possess some kind of psychotelepathic abilities. Like illithids. Or maybe they use some kind of portals.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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That can’t be. If that’s the case, then by “god” you mean some kind of being that thinks like a human, but that’s impossible, because humans themselves are a product of chance.
It seems you didn’t understand my point, so I’ll explain it with this example:
And “pseudo-randomness” in a computer is just a simple program based on changing time, and it has nothing to do with God.
We have numbers recorded in a pseudo-random order. They are selected in a pseudo-random order (actually dependent on time) by the computer. Now, let’s imagine that we created this computer from scratch. We ourselves determine the order in which the numbers are recorded on the tape. If we do a good calculation (in the ideal case, if we have the ability to perform arbitrarily complex calculations with arbitrarily high accuracy), then we can even predict which number and at what time will be selected by our program. WE CAN FULLY CONTROL OUR PROGRAMS! At the same time, the programs themselves will not notice this: if they try to check the randomness of the numbers, the experiment will give them a normal random distribution, uniform over the long term (or some other, depending on the experiment). At the same time, all their work, based on randomness, is not actually random, but predetermined. That’s what I mean.
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No. Maybe they have some kind of psychotelepathic abilities. Like illithids. Or maybe they use some kind of portals.
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How do physical laws differ from physical matter? Is there 100% certainty that the principles of understanding physical laws differ from the principles of understanding through them?
A law describes the behavior of matter. That is, it is a set of principles, knowing which, we can describe any process determined by this law, right?
And if randomness is actually pseudo-randomness? Hmm? Like in a computer, where not random, but pseudo-random numbers are actually generated, only here – with a certain meaning.
Someone just told me about the uncertainty principle.
No, to hell with civilizations, it's completely perverse.
Indeed, it's too cliché.
Or maybe they use some kind of portals.
Maybe.
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