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Maybe I'm just out of touch, but are there still people with slow internet connections? Isn't this a problem in our time?
You know, you're really behind the times:D For example, my internet speed will be increased to 128 kb/s starting July 1st:smile41: and I'm very happy about that:smile44: And it would be funny if it weren't so sad:D
P.S. off-topic: I don't see the point in arguing about ICQ vs. Skype vs. something else. As someone correctly said, ICQ is already a tradition for Heroes, so why invent something new, or why shouldn't someone just hang out in the in-game chat? That's also a good alternative.
So, I really didn't want to answer all this, but I will anyway.
R55Max
It's just historically сложилось, and more people currently have ICQ.
Traditions didn't just happen; it's only the post-Soviet space that's stuck on ICQ. Skype is used all over the world and has many more fans. Plus, Skype is used for business and is more reliable.
Wicc
What's the problem with having both ICQ and Skype? They don't interfere with each other. I have both installed.
Having both doesn't cause any problems, but what's the point of having so many messengers?
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But if it doesn't bother you, then go ahead and install it. Considering that I prefer Skype, and I don't need it anyway. And in general, you should switch to Jabber :-)
A normal, open protocol supports good encryption, and the failure of someone else's server doesn't affect you, unlike that crappy ICQ. But Mail.ru decided to shut down the servers, and you're left sitting there...
and wasting half a day. Dirty_Player
Maybe I'm not in the loop, but are there still people with slow internet connections? Is this really a problem in our time?
You really are out of the loop, but it's a huge problem, especially in villages...
Redwhait HP
I don't see the point in arguing about ICQ vs. Skype vs. something else. They're right, ICQ is already traditional for Heroes, so why invent something new, or why wouldn't someone just use the in-game chat, which is also a good alternative :)
Indeed, if someone wants to keep using that crap, I can't stop them. And there are a lot of problems with ICQ, and no arguments will be in favor of it.
And the voluntary-compulsory registration in only ICQ format is just TERRIBLE!
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Indeed, if a person wants to keep eating sh*t, I have no right to stop them. And there are a lot of problems with this ICQ, and no arguments will be in favor of ICQ.
And voluntary-compulsory registration in the only ICQ format is a HUGE mistake!
And who forces you to write in this thread or wherever it's convenient for you? If Skype is convenient, write on Skype, it's up to you...
Lider1
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No one is forcing me; I’m just an outside observer.
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Wicc
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ICQ, Skype, Jabber, Gtalk, in-game chat, VKontakte, Odnoklassniki, private messages on forums, etc. – these are all means of communication. Arguing about which ones are more convenient and which are less, in my opinion, is a sign of nothing more than an overdeveloped sense of self-importance.
There is a task – to contact a person and agree on a game. How this will be done is irrelevant to the organizer; you can communicate by carrier pigeon if you want. His personal preferences are generally not of interest.
If two stubborn individuals meet, who are fundamentally unwilling to use anything other than their favorite messenger, then both are technically inept, and that's the end of the matter.
ICQ, Skype, Jabber, GTalk, in-game chat, VKontakte, Odnoklassniki, private messages on forums, etc. – these are all means of communication. Obsessing over which ones are more convenient and which are less, in my opinion, is a sign of nothing more than an overdeveloped sense of self-importance.
That's exactly what's happening! Look at what the developers are doing with what you're talking about. Don't you see? It's worshiping the golden calf!
Besides, ICQ crashes often, it gets shut down! What's the point of such a messenger? I used to use it, but it annoyed me with its quirks and approaches! What's the point of a messenger if it's down for half a day? And sometimes even for 3 days.
When AOL owned it, they banned third-party messengers, and releases sometimes came out after 3 days, and that's why I started using Miranda, and suddenly ICQ stopped working. And you wait for a new version while they patch it, and then Mail.ru shuts down the servers, and it doesn't work for a day. I mean, if there's an alternative, why bother with it? Also, the encryption is weak, and ICQ passwords are no longer than 7 characters. It was never secure, that's why I got rid of it, and I don't care what people like.
This is a means of communication, not something to admire. So, it's a bad means of communication! And people who want to can fall in love with the emoticons and windows. How many times has the protocol changed, and messages haven't been delivered, etc.? Why put up with this crappy cactus? And the argument that it works for me but not for others doesn't hold water, because if it works for you, but not for everyone else, then you can just jerk off to it because you won't have anyone to talk to.
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I'm saying that freedom of communication -> different types of communication -> result.
In reality: ICQ-ism -> supported by regulations -> instilling this obligation in new players.
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R55Max
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Message from Lider1: Traditions weren't being formed; rather, the post-Soviet space is just stuck with this ICQ. Skype is used all over the world and has many more fans. Plus, Skype is used for business and is more reliable.
According to your reasoning: "let the WORLD bend to my will, rather than me adapting to it."
And what tournaments do you participate in? Are they only filled with rich people? In fact, the best players in the world live in the post-Soviet space. ICQ is registered, but it's convenient to use QIP; it doesn't run for three days straight. And I've played with many rich people, and almost all of them use ICQ (so you're talking a lot of nonsense). You're just annoyed because you were stuck with a terrible client, while others are fine with it, and more people communicate through ICQ. Isn't it simply clear that now 90% of people have ICQ, so it's set as the default communication tool. ICQ is, in fact, the "historically established communication client," even if it's only in the post-Soviet space. And at the international level, it's a different story.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
How categorical can you get? Sometimes it's poker, sometimes it's ICQ :) For me, Skype is primarily associated with voice communication, and I'm very grateful for that; it's an amazing thing. Otherwise, I would only be making money from phone calls to Penza. And I find it more convenient to chat in ICQ; sometimes I communicate with 4-5 people at the same time, which would be difficult to imagine in Skype. Although, again, if the conversation is on one topic, then a conference in Skype is a great thing. However, since I have 30 times more people in ICQ than in Skype, it's not possible to switch to it completely, and there's no need to, it's convenient as it is. Regarding crashes, Skype has crashed twice in my experience, but I don't remember ICQ crashing, maybe I wasn't around.
Oleg, please correct "ICQ/Skype" in the table header. It's a small thing. Those who want to play will figure it out.
Soon, we’ll be leaving our cell phone numbers so we don’t have to argue anymore.
RiMpel2
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Kash, I added a column for Skype just yesterday, everything is fine, everyone is happy ;)
Lider1
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R55Max
Actually, the best players in the world live in the post-Soviet countries.
Making such a statement is the same as saying that we are the only intelligent beings in the entire universe! Without any technical means to verify this, as it would require billions of light-years.
Isn't that a bit too loud and arrogant, sir?
The same applies to Heroes, which is not a cyber sports discipline at all. It is played in local corners, has local champions, but due to the language barrier, they essentially stay in these corners. How can you verify this when there are no regular, serious international (world-class!) tournaments? The only thing that existed was the tournament from Sticky, which was the largest in this regard, and even that was FOR FUN!
What is needed is: a sports federation, official support, advertising -> competent marketing, money circulating in this field - attracting players, sponsors. And really, to involve THE ENTIRE WORLD as much as possible, and not just the CIS + Maretti. But this will never happen. Unfortunately, it's a sad fact.
You don't have to go far; look at the StarCraft tournaments.
But such statements, this naivety (blessed (c)), amuse me, honestly. R55Max
Actually, the best players in the world live in the post-Soviet countries.
In general, I don't even want to bring up this topic about this boasting. You can continue to believe that if you want.
R55Max
According to your reasoning: "let the WORLD bend to me, rather than me bending to it."[/B]
I hate time machines. R55Max
And what tournaments do you participate in? Are they only for the rich? [/B]
I've played with the rich, and the world didn't end.
R55Max
And I've played with the rich many times - they all have ICQ (so you're talking a lot of nonsense). [/B]
Maybe those who played and added ICQ did so because they saw that they would have to communicate through it? Because we support a system of worship for it. And even if you don't want to, newcomers have to.
R55Max
ICQ is registered, but it's convenient to use QIP, it doesn't hang for three days. [/B]
R55Max
You're annoyed that you were stuck with a crappy client, while others are doing fine, and more people are communicating through ICQ. [/B]
OMG, ICQ is a protocol! And QIP is a client that supports the ICQ protocol, Jabber, and others! QIP itself is not ICQ!
R55Max
Surely it's not clear that now 90% of people have ICQ, so they install it as the default communication tool. ICQ is, in fact, the "historically established communication client," even if it's only in the post-Soviet space.[/B]
R55Max
And at the international level, it's a different story. [/B]
If you want to masturbate with your ICQ, then continue to do so. I've buried it. And its problems don't concern me. Neither the change of protocol nor the shut down servers. I communicate via Jabber and feel great. And you (such a smart patriot), if you don't understand the difference between an open application and a closed one, then that's your problem. And what if Mail.ru wants to, then all your QIPs and Mirandas will work with this protocol, you will install the official ICQ client and look at its f***ing ads. For at least 10 years, I've been watching this eternal hassle, and now I don't care about this hassle anymore. Eternal cries on the internet: "ICQ is not working again," "oh, what should we do"!!!???
And if it's only needed for games, then of course, it suits you. And my client is not crappy, the protocol is crappy! And regarding the convenience of QIP, it's convenient for you, I have a different opinion, and you don't even understand that the ICQ password was in plain text and that there were thousands of cases of ICQ hacking! But you will, of course, say that it can be restored, but why would you need it! They made a restriction on a 7-character password, and then they f***ed up ICQ, or they sent a Trojan to all contacts, everyone logged in out of habit because they saw a link from a trusted contact, and suddenly you have a bunch of grateful friends sending you all sorts of spam through ICQ, and in general, I don't give a damn about proving this to you, noob, if you don't even understand how it works! And Jabber and GTalk are the same thing, GTalk is just a client for Jabber, there are Jabber servers monitored by Google, meaning he set up Jabber servers and just made his own client, and QIP also made a Jabber server, so what does that mean? Where are the 90 percent? lolol!
Added 6 minutes ago Kash
How categorical! Just look. First poker, then ICQ :)
Yes, yes, and also illegal drugs. And legal ones: cigarettes and alcohol in any doses.
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RiMpel2
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I don't want to start any arguments here, but I stumbled upon this by chance: Johan Schmidt
keep writing, definitely get an ICQ account, and play for rating. And you're guaranteed to find someone.
Feb 3, 2011 at 2:14 PM
R55Max
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Quote:Message from R55Max Actually, the best players in the world live precisely in the post-Soviet space
Message from Lider1: Making such a claim is the same as saying we are the only intelligent beings in the entire universe! Without having any technical means to verify it. Since this requires billions of light years.
Isn't that a bit too loud and self-confident, man???
I am saying these words based on the words of experienced and strong Heroes players I have spoken with. These words of mine are based on their experience, not on my own. You are very stupid if you think that all my statements are my own inventions and assumptions. It is precisely based on those tournaments that have taken place throughout the history of Heroes games (even if it's just one single tournament from StiKee) that the advantage of the Slavic people over others follows. So you create an international tournament, invite all the strongest, and if "ours" lose in the majority, then only then will you be right, but for now, stating the facts, ours are stronger, not the foreigners. Wtf, what is there to talk about if on Life Heroes I managed to win 2 games on Jebus Cross in the group and miraculously did not win the 3rd, even though playing on the same HeroesWorld, especially with those same skills (I only understood the word "template"), I wouldn't have a single chance against many newcomers of the past season.
Message from Lider1: What is needed: a sports federation, official support, advertising -> competent marketing, money circulating in this matter - attracting players, sponsors. Well, and also that the ENTIRE WORLD is maximally involved, not just the CIS + Maretti. But this will never happen.
Here I agree up to the words - it will never happen. It will happen if people start working on it, so that's not an argument either. Have you yourself written at least one letter to the FCS Russia? Show me at least one person who contacted this organization? You try to fight for promotion, and after about 4 years (if nothing works out) you can say it's a waste of time. It all depends on activity.
Message from Lider1: Or maybe those who played installed ICQ upon seeing that they would have to communicate through it?? Since we support the system of worship through it. And even if you don't want to, newcomers have to.
Maybe... Or maybe they still had it? Want me to read the coffee grounds? If you want, I can ask for your sake.
Message from Lider1: OMG, ICQ is a protocol! And QIP is a client that supports the ICQ protocol, Jabber, and others! QIP itself is not ICQ!
I expressed myself incorrectly, I didn't think you would nitpick words. I meant that you create an ICQ account for yourself and use it through QIP.
Message from Lider1: If you want to masturbate about your ICQ, then continue doing it. I have buried it. And its problems don't concern me. Not the protocol change, not the shut down servers, I communicate via Jabber and feel great.
If its problems don't concern you, then you better step aside yourself and masturbate the way you suggested to me. I'm glad you found a means of communication for yourself, but many people are satisfied with communicating via ICQ, and there's no need to foam at the mouth about its inadequacy (it looks like you're pissed off). Such people are dissatisfied with everything. All internet resources and applications have glitches and downtime.
Message from lider1: And you (such a smart patriot), if you don't understand the difference between an open application and a closed one, then that's your problem. And what if tomorrow Mail.ru wants it, yeah all your QIPs and Mirandas will work over this protocol, you'll have to install the official ICQ client and stare at its fucking advertisement. For at least 10 years I've been watching this eternal hassle, and now this hassle doesn't bother me anymore. Eternal cries on the internet "ICQ is down again", "oh what are we going to do"!!!???
When that happens, then we'll ditch it! And don't exaggerate about the hassle, it's not as bad as you make it out to be. It works slowly and doesn't require anything to work. There is no protocol more unobtrusive to the system. I've been using it no less than you, so don't twist everything one way. In Kyiv, the Smartresponder.ru server, which every 4th person used, completely burned down, everything also froze, newsletters and storage were affected, so what now? All servers have glitches for various reasons.
Message from Lider1: And if you, a nerd, need it only for games, then it's understandable that it suits you.
What are you even talking about? I've had ICQ for about 7 years, and why should I switch to Skype when I have almost 300 UINs in it? Why the hell should I switch to Skype and kill ICQ? It's an addition for now; when everyone has Skype and excellent internet, then it's a different matter!
Regarding "only games"... I'll tell you, absolutely every single website builder before 2005, who released educational discs with an ICQ number, had their own sites, etc. - they mandatory had ICQ and email, and sometimes it was the only means of communication with business people! Now these people make video conferences on Skype, but ICQ still remains an integral part of their communication (for many, especially since they don't want to lose acquaintances). To this day, ICQ is the simplest, lightest, and fastest means of communication with minimal resource consumption! By the way, THIS is VERY IMPORTANT, because many people who are not gamers but only use a laptop for work, transfers, have weak laptops - which give them everything they need specifically for work.
Message from Lider1: . And my client is not shitty, the protocol is shitty! And as for the convenience of QIP, that's convenient for you; I have a different opinion, and you don't even understand that ICQ passwords were transmitted in plain text and that there are thousands of cases of ICQ hacking! But of course you'll say it can be recovered, but who the fuck needs it! They made a password limit of 7 characters and ICQ was constantly fucked with, or hurray fucking they fucked with it and sent a trojan to all contacts, everyone logged in out of habit because they saw a link from a trusted contact, and bam you have a trainload of grateful friends, constantly sending some fucking spam through this ICQ, and in general, fuck it, I'm done proving this to a noob if you don't even understand how it works! And Jabber and GTalk are the same thing, GTalk is just a client for Jabber, there are Jabber servers monitored by Google, meaning they set up Jabber servers and simply made their own client, and QIP also made a Jabber server, so what do we get? where the fuck is 90 percent? lololo!
You still haven't grasped the essence of what should have been said from the beginning. The fact is that the majority of people who play in those tournaments organized on HeroesWorld have ICQ, moreover, I am confident in assuming that there are many more people on ICQ with whom one can communicate, and it is much more convenient than on Skype. I mean communicating with 5-7 people at once. So why the hell should we be forced into Skype if ICQ suits the majority of people?
It's time to stop meddling in people's interests. Use what you like and don't stop others from doing the same. As for your point that ICQ is mandatory and forced - that's your IMHO; those who have Skype are fewer, so the compulsion is "Skype-ing" on your part! For those who have ICQ, it is not a compulsion, and those are the majority!
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
Lider1
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Never argue with fools, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience (c)
I get the exact same feeling. Every topic on HeroesWorld appears, and you show up, sticking your nose into every little hole like a cork. Is it a profession or a calling? Eeeevery topic. Or maybe it's a stance, "I won't give in, even though I'm a noob, but I'll snap back at everyone, I'll look better, no one here tells me what to do," and so on. I don't get it. I don't even notice how, in any topic, I start talking about one thing, but I end up arguing with you!
Now. I'll try to convey the essence of the lost post.
No one is forcing you to switch to Skype. My posts are about new players who come here and usually don't have ICQ and don't want to have it, but have to "due to established traditions."
For a certain period of time, I didn't care, and neither did those who were used to it, but now I do.
R55Max
If her problems don't concern you, then you'd better step aside yourself and masturbate the way you suggested to me.
That's exactly what I did. Just not aside, but from a mountain onto cactus-eating mice.
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What happened in Kyiv doesn't bother me at all; I don't live there and I don't use that service. Even if I were in Portugal.
***R55Max
I base these words on what experienced and strong Heroes players, whom I've spoken with, have said. These words of mine are based on their experience, not my own personal one.
Words remain just words, no matter who said them. And by believing an authoritative word without subjecting it to criticism, you don't come across as particularly smart either.
Well, they told you: "Yes R55, we are the strongest in the world." They are experienced players, skilled, undoubtedly. And you're like, "Yes, that's really the truth! So it is!" You just took it and believed it :D
So here's the thing: I am NOT saying our players are bad. I am saying that one cannot say that, as long as there is no serious competitive tournament system for Heroes 3 worldwide. Not until Korea, China, Canada, Australia, India, and the like participate.
But for that, we need: investment, the rights to own the game, the game to be popular and balanced, and good cash prizes. And naturally, it would be considered eSports. Which again is pure fantasy.
And as for what they said, (I don't know who told you), that's just their IMHO. Whether they liked it or not. De facto, it may very well be true; de jure, it's just personal ambitions and fantasies multiplied by personal ambitions and fantasies.
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R55Max
Have you yourself written even one letter to the Russian FCS? Show me at least one person who has contacted that organization? Try to fight for promotion, and maybe in about 4 years (if nothing works out), you can say it's a waste of time. Everything depends on activity.
And why would I need to? You're the one shouting about champions worldwide, not me. You write it. I don't need to hold a tournament to understand what it would achieve. What would 1 tournament achieve? Absolutely nothing. This requires a different approach, one that demands $ investment. I don't have those kinds of resources. If I were a sultan, I'd buy the rights to it, make a remake, enhance the AI tenfold, fix the balance, and promote it worldwide. And even then, IMHO, it's doomed to commercial failure, as it likely can't compete with other games that have fancy graphics; it would only be a gift for gourmets specializing in this and loving Heroes, still playing despite StarCraft 2 and the like.
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For me, this game is lost and has no future. Games for fun, little tournaments on the website, that's its maximum, plus inter-portal with WCL, HP, HB. That's its limit. And every year, fewer and fewer people play it. There's almost no influx of new players; in the Newbie section, it's all damn clones who pretend to be newbies but draw such reports that it drives you crazy. I don't know what the gimmick is, to boost their ego or what? SoD is unbalanced to hell, the rules balancing it essentially made it a different game, not the developers' "classic" with the Necromancer's Cloak and diplomacy, but something completely different, only the name isn't WT, yet for some reason it's associated with the original. WT is also a different game. WoG is also a different game. WT + experience/tax is a WoG-like game, but again, different. WT is completely unpopular and choked up by Asm. It's all the same crap everywhere!
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Marmot
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Lider1, to put it briefly: "Heroes" is almost dead. Amen. :smile16: But there are people who don't know that and continue to play... :) Let's try to steer the conversation in a more constructive direction! I've wanted to talk about how much I'd like "Heroes" to become an esport someday, but the relevant discussion, which periodically revives, has once again died down. Yes, unfortunately, it all seems to come down to those damn $$$ and the fact that the development company is no longer viable. WoG, TE, and WT exist, but on a limited basis...
Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було… (Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)
Redwhait
