philosophy — Philosophy

Night

11/20/2006 7:04 PM UTC

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Pearl;47281

You might as well mention Jesus Christ! How much time has passed! People change. And besides, no U.S. president has stolen as much in their entire life as the average Russian official. This is a problem of mentality.

People don't change. If they did, the mistakes of history wouldn't be repeated:)

AlexeyPank

11/20/2006 7:05 PM UTC

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This is an age-related issue. We didn't have this problem before. And in China, they used to steal, but now they don't. Different ages, different age-related psychology. An old person wants to appear young, but they don't have the strength for it. So, they compensate by controlling things they can :(

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Inquisitor

11/20/2006 7:07 PM UTC

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Maybe we should go back to discussing the philosophy behind Heroes V. In my opinion, the topics we are currently discussing are pointless to debate. Everyone will stick to their own opinions. :)

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AlexeyPank

11/20/2006 7:10 PM UTC

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But isn't it interesting to hear other people's opinions? You can learn something new.

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Nowizard

11/20/2006 7:38 PM UTC

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I agree. :) Alex, I don't even know who to compare you to as a conversationalist! It's a pleasure to communicate with you! :)

Бог есть любовь

Alan

11/20/2006 7:58 PM UTC

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Well, there's certainly a shocking amount of opinions gathered here.... and the main thing is, on one hand there's something to say, but on the other, everyone here is just banging their head against their own wall and isn't in a hurry to change their minds... so one more won't change anything... I'll just ask two small questions.

1. 2 Pearl, a small question, don't take it as impertinence... what are you doing in this country???

2. 2 AlexeyPank, as I understand it, you think that "Siberians" were never Russians at all, since aging didn't affect them?? and you suggest starting a revolution (because no one will just give up power), then repressions against those dissatisfied who survived, then a war (because other countries won't just watch, they'll definitely "help")... and in the end, in your own words, we'll get the same worn-out old men, but already on the ruins of an empire that by that point certainly won't exist.... I think comments are unnecessary, as is the question "what's the point of all this???"....

Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.

AlexeyPank

11/20/2006 8:04 PM UTC

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Siberians are a mix of Russians, Siberian natives, Tatars, and others. This mixing releases additional energy. Plus, passionarity concentrates on the periphery of the area (like a bonfire – the center dies down, but the edges burn). Therefore, Siberians are practically a new ethnic group that emerged in the 17th-18th centuries. Russia emerged in the 13th century. There is a difference. A revolution is not necessarily required. A simple palace coup will suffice. Most of the country will not interfere and will watch it on television (as in 1991 and 1993). And other countries – it's none of their business. We must unite against an external threat.

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Pearl

11/20/2006 8:05 PM UTC

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I'm still here. Unfortunately. I hope this is just a temporary misunderstanding.

I've got a secret that i think you ought to know,
The happy people are the ones who have a soul.

I'm complicated
and i celebrate it!

Snowball

11/20/2006 8:08 PM UTC

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Seriously... how can anyone not love their homeland? Pearl, I don't understand people like you. You're like our oligarchs and those in power – they only care about their own comfort, about making as much money as possible for themselves and their families, and they don't care what happens to the country. Their main goal is to ensure that Russia doesn't fall apart before the time they need it to. They're like rats on a sinking ship – they'll run away to another country as soon as they sense danger, taking everything they can with them. It's not a pity that they'll run away; it's a pity what they'll take with them. You shouldn't run away from problems; you should solve them. Things aren't easy in our country right now, but that doesn't mean we should give up and run away to save our lives in a place where life is better.

Белый и Пушистый! Иногда.....

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Alan

11/20/2006 8:15 PM UTC

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Pearl;47302

I'm living. Unfortunately. I hope this is a temporary misunderstanding.

Yes, I understood that you live there, perhaps I didn't phrase the question quite accurately... but why don't you leave??

2 Alexey In 91-93 some officials replaced others, the people always didn't give a damn how general secretaries were appointed... and you're suggesting that the people replace the officials—that's definitely a revolution; moreover, you're suggesting turning resources not only toward the people, but also taking them away from the European part of the country... there will be a huge fight over that... there will be war, because Russia is large and not profitable for anyone, everyone will push in, and even if the people unite, there will still be war. So we've come to what you described for us, only with a correction: you spoke of the beginning of the 20th century, but it will be the beginning of the 21st, albeit with more catastrophic consequences. After all, back then, the support for the revolutionaries was stronger.

Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.

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Ta Kotoraya...

11/20/2006 8:56 PM UTC

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Nowizard;47295

I agree.:) Alex, I don't even know who to compare you to as a conversationalist! It's a pleasure to communicate with you!:)

+1!!! And although I absolutely disagree with both Alex and Pearl, truth is born in debate!
I, undoubtedly and unequivocally, am a patriot... interpret it as you wish... A patriot is someone who LOVES their homeland and BELIEVES in it. That's the most important thing! Yes, that's me! I can't imagine life without Russia, Rus'... People, just come visit our city, just feel THIS!!!!!!!!! Go to St. Sophia's Cathedral - and no words are needed!!! This hasn't gone anywhere... we've been through a lot, and I'm sure we'll go through a lot more! Because Russian people (it doesn't matter - Siberians, Tatars, or anyone else) are inexplicable. No one has ever been able to understand us - because we are special... All our treasures are hidden inside... the SOUL... and the economy is secondary! (and so the economist in me died ;) ) Well, yes - the officials... yes, they steal... But when have they not stolen from us???? And yet we still live and thrive! ;) People, isn't that what matters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How don't you understand...
In general, those who want to understand and believe will do so... There's nothing worse than trying to convince someone when you know your efforts are futile... ;) People, LIVE!!!!!!!! Just live...

P.S. Alex, it was a conversation like this on a similar topic that started our acquaintance and friendship ;) So even a dispute can lead to interesting and unexpected results!!!

Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...

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Nowizard

11/20/2006 9:02 PM UTC

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Snowball;47303

Things aren't easy in our country right now, but that doesn't mean we should give up and run away to save our own skins where life is better.

Besides, it's not a given that life is better there. ;) It's the same old story, just like in Russia, only the officials don't steal; they just brazenly come up and take what they want. Did you see the movie "Kin-dza-dza"? It was set in the 70s and 80s, but the essence is the same. And "little people," like accountants or waiters, aren't even considered people. Alex, with all due respect, I've never seen anyone in Moscow, when mentioning Siberia, call its population "subhumans" or "underdeveloped." I'll tell you that even the "nouveau riche" treat Siberians with relative respect (and I've witnessed it). At worst, they say that it's very cold in Siberia.

Ta Kotoraya...;47313

+1!!! And even though I absolutely disagree with both Alex and Pearl, the truth is revealed in a debate!
I am, without a doubt, a patriot... understand it however you want. Essentially, a patriot is someone who LOVES their homeland and BELIEVES in it. That's the most important thing! Yes, that's me! I can't imagine life without Russia, Rus'... People, just come visit our city, just feel THIS!!!!!!!!! Take a look at St. Sophia's Cathedral - and no words are needed!!! This hasn't gone anywhere... we've been through a lot, and I'm sure we'll go through a lot more! Because Russian people (whether they're Siberians, Tatars, or someone else) are something inexplicable. No one has ever been able to understand us - because we are special... All our treasures are hidden inside... the SOUL... and the economy is secondary! (and so the economist in me died ;) ) Well, yes, the officials... yes, they steal... But when have they not stolen in our country???? And yet we still live and thrive! ;) People, that's not the main thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How don't you understand...
In general, those who want to understand and believe will do so. There's nothing worse than trying to convince someone when you know your efforts are futile. ;) People, LIVE!!!!!!!! Just live...

Eee... Tanya, did you write this yourself or did you take it from Zadornov (a compliment)??? :eek: I'm impressed... I take my hat off to you. :)

Бог есть любовь

In reply to Artes

<garkin>

11/20/2006 10:31 PM UTC

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Artes;47222

When I was a child (it sounds funny now), I wanted to become president. And honestly, not because of the money or the mansions on Rublyovka, but because I wanted things to be good for everyone. Almost everyone is kind in childhood. So why do people become more foolish (not all of them, of course) as they grow older?

Well, in my opinion, it's simple: all people are kind and cheerful up to a certain point, or rather, until their problems start to overwhelm them. You can't solve all problems, and at some point, they accumulate, and a person can't cope with them. Resentment begins to appear, and they start thinking that they need to live for themselves, that if they spend time on others, they won't have enough time for themselves (well, besides family, depending on the person). From this comes the desire to take everything from life and not care if someone else is left out – this is greed. In the end, a person, riding on this "crooked" horse, still reaches their goal and even experiences some satisfaction for a while. But when they think about how they got there, i.e., through greed and resentment, they start to feel like an idiot, and that's where foolishness begins to take root in them... On the other hand, there's a saying: "It's better to regret what you've done than what you haven't done," and that comforts a person, and so it goes until death... This is, in my opinion, the bitter truth of life... it's bitter..

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