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By the way, someone's remark about the "fairytale-like" nature of the 5th installment was amusing. It's a rather angular kind of fairytale. Most 3D strategy games look alike; take SpellForce, for example, and there's no fairytale element there. The fact that it's a fantasy world doesn't automatically make the game a fairytale.

I wouldn't say so. Even before its release, there were games with better graphics.

This is what I was saying: in the 5th installment, there's nothing else besides this. The game is only for battles.

In every game, you can find obscure demons, but the style can always be the same. It's easy to change a demon's appearance because it's not a human or an elf, which are always the same. You can give a demon five arms, three legs, five voices, and eight tails. You can do anything. But the style of execution is less diverse. The demon will be a fleshy monster (like in Heroes 3, Disciples) or an elemental-lava demon. Other types are rarely found, but they do exist. For example, in Age of Wonders, there are shadow demons, which are quite original, although I find them boring.

Chess has no plot.

Were the heroes required to have the most advanced graphics among strategy games at the time of release?

It's sometimes difficult to deviate from the established canons and stereotypes. Would gamers accept a game where elves, for example, had normal ears instead of long ones, and were the embodiment of evil? Yes, everyone would complain that "these aren't elves." That's why continuity exists in strategy games.

There is some kind of plot, and there is also a universe.

And in general, what is the essence of any game? To play and defeat the opponent, and the more developed the ways to do this, the better the game will be, in my opinion, especially a strategy game.

It's not a fairy tale game, but a visual style.

You seem to have lost the thread.
I wrote that graphics aren't important for the heroes, but they spent a lot of time on it, although it's not very noticeable in the 5th installment, i.e., they kept working on it, but the result wasn't great, even for that time. Do you understand? I'm not saying that the graphics SHOULD be excellent or that I WANT great graphics. What I meant was that they wasted a lot of time on the graphics, when they could have spent it on the world, and the result might have been much better.

So, it's better to discard the old, original world and replace it with one that has been used repeatedly in other games?

Exactly.

There are games that are designed for single-player playthroughs, and the main goal in them is not to destroy the enemy, so you were too quick to generalize about the nature of all games.

cartoonishness doesn't make a game a fairy tale.

Didn't canonical mythological creatures exist in the old world?

And yes, wasn't there also a conflict between humans and demons at the core of the plot?

In any case, during the game, you often need to fight and kill someone; I'm talking about strategy games, and I'm not referring to economic ones, although I don't deny that there may be other individual representatives of the genre without violence.

You can call it that; for me, "fairytale-like" and "cartoonish" are almost synonyms in this context.

Why write the same thing about the graphics? Either someone isn't reading carefully or doesn't understand.

But for fantasy, all of this was presented in an original form.

One of the storylines, there are many of them. But it was the first of its kind for Heroes, and it was repeated in the 5th game.

We're talking about what is most important in the game. Sometimes it's the storyline, i.e., you play to complete the game, and in other games, it's the combat. In the 3rd game, for example, the storyline/world and the combat had almost equal importance, while the 5th game is more focused on combat. This is evident in the character progression, creature upgrades, which provide many tactics, as well as the world itself, which was quickly put together.

No, in one of the previous posts, the discussion was about a black hole, which already had its own engine, just like Nival did back then. I think this was one of the important conditions of Ubisoft, so that the development company could immediately start working on the game without worrying about the engine.

This is a strategy game, and the graphics aren't particularly important, in my opinion, regardless of whether it's cool or not.

In what specific way does this manifest itself?

But in the sixth installment, the demon attack seems to happen more as a backdrop to the main events, so you can say that Ubisoft is correcting itself.

And in what way does the "hastily slapped together" nature manifest itself? The history is worked out in sufficient detail, as are the factions and the dragons they worship.

Well, the story of Ashan still can't be as well-developed as the story of Enroth. How many games have been released in the first universe, and how many in the second?

Have you played Titan Quest or other games set in ancient Greece? Compare them!

The plot is more or less forgivable (as I already said), I was focusing more on the world. You mentioned that demons also attacked in the third game.
You can forgive a primitive plot, but adding Dark Elves to please the younger audience, and generally making the Elves fit the Warcraft/thousands of other games mold is too much. This is one of the main proofs that no one really put much effort into the world. This can be related to the question below.

Three games were released based on Ashan.

There are games that are focused on single-player gameplay, and the main goal in them is not to defeat the opponent, so you jumped to conclusions about the essence of all games.

HoMM5, Dark Messiah, and what else?

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