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Pasha, your post reads like a schoolboy's excuse: "I studied, honestly, but I forgot :(". I judge by the results – the Arbitration Committee (AK) consistently makes mistakes, which leads to players leaving the forum. And these aren't just any players, mind you. Ideally, it should be the other way around – the wisdom and fairness of the AK's decisions should be known beyond the forum, and that would attract people here. For example, wouldn't it have been better to ban Britva and keep Valenok on the forum? It was clear that after such a public shaming, when half the players and members of the AK considered him a cheater, Britva would leave the forum regardless of the final verdict. Instead, you lost two players instead of one. The reason is the AK's shortsightedness, cowardice, and formalism, as if saying, "If there's even a 1% chance, I'll vote for the player." As a result, we have what we have – a wave of negativity and an exodus of people. So, personally, I don't care who is in the AK and how they are elected, or how they make decisions, if their activities lead to such results. Because history remembers the results of actions, not the details of the process.
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Pasha, your post reads like a schoolkid's excuses: "I studied, honest, but forgot :(".

I judge by the result — AK, with enviable regularity, keeps landing in a puddle, which leads to players leaving HeroesWorld. Not the worst players, by the way.



I do not believe that AK needs to make excuses for anything, and the purpose of my post was not to justify AK's decisions.
In my post, I stated certain facts.
Every non-obvious decision will always have its supporters and its opponents.
С истиной где-то рядом...





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I don't think AK needs to justify itself in any way.
It's not up to you to decide, but to your clients. If you've forgotten, AK exists for the players, not the players for AK. So, a number of these clients have made their reaction quite clear – they left the forum.

And your polls are just a sham, because most of those who were against it simply didn't vote.
With my post, I stated certain facts.
Thank you, Captain.
Every non-obvious decision will always have its supporters and its opponents.
Opinions can be subjective, but the consequences are objective. That's why people look at the results of the work of the people who were guided by that opinion, not at the opinions themselves. For the very reason you mentioned.
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What prevented you from voting instead of just leaving?
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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What prevented you from voting instead of just leaving?
What do you think yourself?
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It's not for you to calculate, but for your customers. If you've forgotten, the AC exists for the players, not the players for the AC.

I'm not arguing that the AC exists for the Players, but that doesn't contradict the fact that the AC shouldn't have to justify its decisions; read post 1501.
If the World of Xeen players believe that the AC is making mistakes and discrediting itself, there are other mechanisms for evaluating controversial situations. The World of Xeen players will choose what they deem necessary.
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"HeroesWorld players" are not a fixed, unchanging substance. The quantity and quality of them are influenced by, among other things, the actions of the AK.

If you start throwing orgies there and posting photos of them, then "HeroesWorld players" will support that too. Those who remain.
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The match between Vik and Heroesworld is ongoing.

The show must go on!
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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What do you think yourself?
Well, I don't know... If I knew, I wouldn't ask... Maybe it's some dissatisfaction with the AK's decision combined with a lack of interest in what's going on here...

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or maybe they thought their votes wouldn't affect the outcome of the votes...
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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I think it's because adults, with their developed sense of responsibility, generally don't feel the need to lecture those who are younger or less aware. For example, a typical response to poor service in a restaurant isn't a lecture to the waiter, but rather leaving without tipping and excluding that restaurant from future visits. Of course, there are exceptions. I, for instance, spend my time and energy on preaching; I simply enjoy it (although in a restaurant, I follow the scheme described above, while others might do the opposite). The rest just looked at all this nonsense and decided – "no way," they weren't born in a trash can to allow all sorts of strange individuals with questionable sanity to boss them around.
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I think it's because adults, who are generally conscious and reasonable, don't tend to lecture younger and less conscious people.

For example, the typical reaction to poor service in a restaurant is not to give the waiter a lecture, but to leave without tipping and exclude that restaurant from the list of future visits.

Of course, there are exceptions. I, for example, spend my time and energy on preaching; I simply enjoy it (although in a restaurant, I act according to the scheme described above, while someone else might do the opposite).

The rest looked at all this nonsense and decided – no way, we weren't born in a trash can to allow all sorts of strange personalities with questionable adequacy to boss us around.

Don't you think it would be better not to leave, but to choose on Volde the organizational form (as I understand, you are concerned about resolving controversial situations) that would suit (as you think) most Volde Players?
Everything is in our hands, the hands of Volde Players.
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Don't you think it would be better not to leave, but instead choose an organizational structure on Volde (as I understand, the main concern is resolving controversial situations) that would satisfy (in your opinion) the majority of Volde players?
Everything is in our hands, the hands of Volde players.
An intellectual majority, under conditions of true democracy, always has an advantage. That is why, within the framework of true democracy, serious issues (such as choosing the organizational and legal form of interaction) are not resolved. Because it is quite difficult to do if the votes of Vlk and Oelma are equated to the votes of Stinger, Forrest, Neo, Ketch, etc. Therefore, true democracy exists only for the amusement of the public and to satisfy its complexes. It's a well-known fact, repeatedly noted by many famous politicians. In addition, much depends on the personalities of the comrades with positive karma. Because, due to the presence of this very positive karma, they usually claim to have more weight in decision-making than their level of development allows. If this weight is significant in itself, then it's fine, but if not, then...
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I don't understand, is there a mass exodus of people? HeroesWorld is rotting while other resources are flourishing? What is this even about, no idea..
Всем удачи ! И Морали !
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Here's a suggestion on how to address the issue with the aforementioned user repeatedly ignoring my posts: simply avoid quoting them, and respond in a way that makes it clear what you're referring to.

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Wlk and Oelma, within this context, are comparable to the voices of Stinger, Forrest, Neo, Ketch, and so on.

pacztulom:D :D Don't forget to add Nebuchadnezzar to the list as well.
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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