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Posts from Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments.
I don't understand why there are 5 games in this season – I'm not even playing it right now :confused:. But if we're talking about tournaments, I think we can find 5 participants, so I consider myself a fully eligible voter :p.
My 7 candidates:
Dirty, LeBron, Scorp, vbn, Cash, Javdet, Vick.
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)
Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
I don't understand why there are 5 games in the season – I'm not even playing it right now:confused:.... But if we're talking about tournaments, I think 5 people can be gathered, so I consider myself a fully eligible voter:p.
My 7 candidates: Dirty, LeBron, Scorp, VBN, Cash, Javdet, Vick.
The games in the tournaments are included in the Season, so everything is fine.
After the incident, I thought for a long time whether it was worth staying in the Academy and whether the Academy was even needed. But after Alessandro's post: Alessandro
I think Pete, Pavel, LeBron, and Mizrael should stay. The rest (Scorp, Wbn, Dirty Player) should be removed.
I realized that I have nothing to do here. If a person who knows me in real life sends me into retirement, then that says something. Also, I don't like the fact that people don't appreciate what someone does for them selflessly. I think that the Academy (in its current composition) has outlived its usefulness... And controversial situations in tournaments should be resolved by the organizer and a specially invited judge for this purpose. After this situation, I seriously thought about the questions: "Do I even need heroes?" and "Shouldn't I take a step towards poker? A game where there are no dirty tricks at all and at least some kind of reward."
Thank you to those who voted for me! Sorry, I said what I thought!
the passions are flaring up again... as one well-known cat from our generation used to say, guys, let's live in peace :)
The others (Scorp, Vbn, Dirty Player) should step down.
I don't like the fact that people don't appreciate when someone does something for them selflessly.maybe they should be in the AK? let them appreciate what it's like. to the point: I don't play 5 games in a season, and I rarely visit here. but I participated in the AK elections (I think) and would like to thank the guys for their work, and also add that my opinion remains the same.
I suggest adding Kash to the current team; I hope no one will object...
What makes you say that? :) I'm against it. For the AK to resolve fundamental and controversial issues, absolute objectivity is necessary. In my opinion, Kash is a bit too focused on himself, and his decisions often have a very personal character... And adding Vikka to the AK is a pointless step; everyone should look in the same direction, agree with the goals and tasks of the AK – only then can you safely disband the AK... 2 Kash – no offense, okay? :) I also don't fit the AK – I'm too intolerant and hot-tempered, I think...
Sorry, I just said what I thought!
Стратегия - искусство возможного.
Первое правило форума : "Хвалу и клевету приемли равнодушно И не оспаривай глупца" (с)
Новичкам: ВНИМАТЕЛЬНО перечитайте ВЕСЬ первый пост по нижеприведенной ссылке и 90% ваших вопросов отпадут( на остальные 10% с удовольствием отвечу): Правила онлайн игр
2 Guys, you are the authors of the previous 10-20 posts! The AK elections haven't even started yet! Let's discuss the Election Regulations. 2 Pasha! Maybe it would be better to create a separate topic for discussion and move the relevant posts there? 2 Dirty! Maybe it would be better to create a separate topic for discussion and move the relevant posts there? Dubrovin Pavel
To date, the Draft Election Regulations for the AK are proposed for discussion in the following form: 1. The Appeals Committee is elected for 1 year. 2. The date of the AK elections is May 01 (tentatively) 2010. 3. Every player has the right to vote in the AK elections: - who has played at least 5 games (confirmed by reports) on HeroesWorld in the season preceding the AK elections, or - who participated in 1-2 offline tournaments on Volde in the season preceding the AK elections, or - who is, or has been, a member of the Interportal Team of Volde. 4. A player participating in the vote in the corresponding topic created for voting indicates 7 players whom he would like to see in the AK. 5. A player participating in the vote does not have the right to vote for himself. 6. As a result of the elections, 7 players are selected for the AK by a simple majority of votes. 7. A second round of elections is held in the event of a tie in votes and the absence of vacant positions in the AK. For example, the seventh and eighth players on the list received the same number of votes, so in the second round, only these players participate. In the second round, the player(s) who received a simple majority of votes are selected for the AK. 8. A player with an active ban does not have the right to vote.
1. Add: early elections in case of removal of powers from at least one member of the AK. 2. Add: the term of the elections is x days, early voting is possible (it has already started). 3. IMHO: any registered user on HW, out of respect for the Heroes community. 4. Any number of players. 5. For. 6. For. 7. For. 8. Against.
С уважением, Деконтаминатор. Hello from ancient novice! ЗЫ: Когда я свободен для игры, в Асе у меня стоит состояние "Игры"-"Погоняем!", и я ищу Аськи с аналогичным состоянием.
If a person who knows me in real life sends me into retirement, then that says something.
Kostya, I also know you in real life and respect you very much. Moreover, your views are probably closer to me than anyone else's in the AС. The only thing I didn't understand is why you voted against the ChMCh, but for exclusion from the tournament, even though you wrote right here on the forum that the best option would be a tech forfeit. You should have voted for that in the AС as well.
Besides, I don't like the fact that people don't appreciate when someone does something for them selflessly.
Unbelievable... Kostya, how many times can I explain this to you? If you join the AС, or become an organizer or moderator for the sake of someone's gratitude, then you're wasting your time. You have to understand that the vast majority of people will attack and criticize you if you do something they consider wrong. Therefore, you can only go there if you don't care about those insults, or if the very process of being in these bodies gives you enough satisfaction (whether from a sense of usefulness, a feeling of power, etc.) to neutralize all the discontent from others.
I believe that the AС (in its current composition) has outlived its usefulness... And controversial situations in tournaments should be resolved by the organizer and a specially invited judge for that purpose.
Golden words. After this situation, I came to the conclusion that structures like the AС are not needed by anyone at all. If there are normal judges and an organizer, then no judicial bodies are necessary. What did the AС's lawlessness lead to? Someone here rightly wrote that in the AС there should be people looking in the same direction. And so those looking in the same direction vote for the AС. Consequently, those who look in different directions will feel uncomfortable here. And we've seen how looking in the same direction ends many times throughout history. By the way, this whole situation with the AС on HeroesWorld reminds me of a historical analogy. HeroesWorld before the arrival of strong players from other resources — boyar Russia. After — the golden age of Russia (the times of Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, etc.). The AС elections — the First State Duma in Russia. The recent events related to the AС — the October Revolution and the mass emigration of the Russian elite (incidentally, even the slogans of the same era, like "just leave, we'll manage without you." You'll manage, but the question is about the quality of life. You can eat your fill, or you can get bread on ration cards and sausage on coupons).
After this situation, I seriously started thinking about the questions: "Do I even need Heroes at all?"
That's a mistake. I'll answer that question differently. Kostya, Heroes needs you ;)
What makes you say that? :) I'm against it. For the AK to resolve fundamental and contentious issues, absolute objectivity is necessary. In my opinion, Cash is a bit too focused on himself, and his decisions often have a very personal character... And Wicca in the AK is a pointless step; everyone should look in the same direction, agree with the goals and objectives of the AK – only then can you safely disband the AK... 2 Cash – no offense, okay? :) I'm also not suitable for the AK – I'm too intolerant and hot-tempered, I think...
I don't understand what "other direction" Vic is looking at. I suggested him because he is reasonable, competent, and principled; what does the game version have to do with it?
I chuckled about Cash. I'll remain silent, guided by the "first rule of the forum." I'll just say that I wouldn't join the AK myself; I don't need it.
I think it would be right to consider the question of whether an Arbitration Committee (AC) is needed for the World of Xeen forum in general. An Poll will be created soon.
I'll share my vision regarding the AC.
I believe that an AC is necessary because there will be authorized individuals to resolve situations, which, in my opinion, will allow for a decision to be made that is primarily impartial and well-informed.
However, the Heroes players need to choose individuals whom they trust to make such decisions.
Wise words. After this situation, I came to the conclusion that structures like the Arbitration Committee (AK) are not needed by anyone. If there is a fair judge and organizer, then no arbitration bodies are needed. What did the AK's lawlessness lead to? Someone rightly wrote here that the AK should consist of people who share the same views. And that's how they vote for the AK, consisting of people who share the same views. Therefore, those who look in different directions will not feel comfortable here. And we have seen many times in history what happens when everyone looks in the same direction.
2 Catch. That's all true, but the AK is still needed. Otherwise, it will be like in real life - whoever is stronger and more arrogant is right. A player differs from an ordinary forum user in that they have a heightened sense of assertiveness. Multiply this by a sharp intellect, and you get a volatile mixture. Even if he is wrong, he will defend his position to the end, as he is used to pulling off difficult situations in the game. And if you also give this person power, then under certain circumstances, he can destroy the forum. Therefore, there cannot be many people who are capable of working usefully in a representative body of players. On the one hand, it is necessary to have solid authority so that people listen to you, and on the other hand, to put the interests of the forum above personal ones, much higher.
But if the forum leaders pull in different directions, then that is also not good. The Portal was torn apart, the Wings fought on the League and on the Bay, and nothing good came of it in the end.
2 Catch. That's all true, but AK is needed. Otherwise, it will be like in real life - whoever is stronger and more arrogant is right. A player differs from an ordinary forum user by having a heightened sense of militancy. Multiply this by sharp intelligence, and you get a volatile mixture. Even if he is wrong, he will defend his position to the end, as he is used to pulling off difficult situations in the game. And if you give this person power, then under certain circumstances, he might destroy the forum.
In order to prevent the forum from being destroyed and to avoid smaller troubles, only one thing is required. The organizer must be an adequate person, consistent in his decisions, and possess sufficient authority. I have never seen any unsolvable problems arise in tournaments conducted by adequate, authoritative, and consistent people, problems that could lead to the forum being destroyed. Problems arise everywhere, but such people, as a rule, deal with them in the early stages. What's wrong with AK? I probably can't say anything bad about anyone individually. It's like with Zadornov. Officials, individually, you are normal people, but when you get together... The more people in the group, the longer the deliberations take, and there are all sorts of squabbles. This is bad. But it is even worse when a quick decision is needed. In that situation, the problem needed to be solved quickly. And if they hadn't dragged it out for two months, maybe their decision wouldn't have looked exactly the way it looks now. I'm not talking about bias or self-interest. But agree, it is much easier for a person to accept being removed from a tournament after one game, rather than after five. Again. The tournament leader is a member of AK. In principle, the question was within his power, but he was afraid to make a decision on his own, and turned to his colleagues for help, which indicates 1) his lack of confidence in the correctness of his decision, 2) his lack of self-confidence (lack of real authority, or, if you like, he understands that he has less authority than the "defendant"). Conclusion? It suggests itself. All of this can also be addressed to the entire AK. They had the opportunity to make a decision behind closed doors, but they were not sure about the correctness of their decision, plus they knew that their combined authority might not be enough in this situation, so they resorted to publicizing the problem and decided to suppress the "authority" with public opinion. However, instead of the expected public condemnation, they received at least a division of opinions. Now the question. Why is a collegial body consisting of several people needed when all issues can be normally resolved by one leader, provided he has the qualities I mentioned?
Therefore, there cannot be many people who are capable of working usefully in a representative body of players. On the one hand, it is necessary to have solid authority so that they are listened to, and on the other hand, to put the interests of the forum above personal ones, much higher.
The answer is above. I will only add one thing. The interests of justice must be put above all else. Then the interests of the forum and the interests of individual forum users will not be infringed.
Well, if the forum leaders pull in different directions, then that's not good either. Portal, Wings, they fought on the League and on the Bay, but nothing good came of it in the end.
I will repeat once again, you need to look only in one direction. The direction of justice. The situation with Alex was not described in the rules. The most logical solution is to issue a warning and, based on this precedent, add a corresponding clause to the rules and the responsibility for violating it. By the way, the inconsistency of people somewhat upsets me. I remember that a couple of years ago, one person accidentally reset the game and won an offline tournament. When everything came to light, his save was not counted, but he was thanked for finding such a thing and advancing the game, etc. Here, Alex essentially did the same thing, created a precedent, but in response, he received the exact opposite, and from the very same people.
Obviously, the idea of the AC is supported by the majority of forum members. I am confident that the people who are part of it are capable of learning from their mistakes. When several people leave tournaments as a sign of protest, that is not normal (and among them are not only "Baev's supporters"). I do not understand the resentment — the vote of confidence in the current AC is over 70%. If the percentage were even higher, that would mean the AC is working perfectly, which is obviously not the case.
Overall, I believe the main direction is not settling disputes and ruling the World, but helping forum members. For example, creating a tournament schedule so that it is not either too packed or too sparse, and so on. Various kinds of support for organizers — it does not necessarily have to be conspicuous.
The ideal assessment of the AC's work: just like referees on a football field — when they are neither heard nor seen, as if they are not there. At least, if you don't look too closely.:)
The ideal assessment of the Arbitration Committee's work: like judges on a football field: when you don't hear or see it, it's as if it doesn't exist. At least, if you don't pay close attention.:)
That's how it works... In principle, I would even like more intervention, because in controversial issues, they don't always turn to it... The benefit of the Arbitration Committee is simply enormous. Dissatisfaction with the Arbitration Committee's decisions will always exist, no matter which Arbitration Committee you choose...
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
КостяN
