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Offline KobRa_RR
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In summary: it's a kind of lottery, similar to poker (and precisely because of the significant luck factor, I don't plan on becoming a pro at it), and in a lottery, as is well known, little depends on you.

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Well, who's talking about CM, for example, Cherk from CM, Panic, Balance, 8mm, and Jebus will take care of everyone.
If you take the rules of Bay (or Chaos) from Might and Magic 6 and Jebus as a basis and replace Panic with 8XM12, there will be no problems.
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In summary: it's like a lottery, similar to poker.
Why doesn't DS_Vasya care much about the luck factor in poker? :D
Why didn't they make an XXL size template in TE? The editor allows you to generate not only 144x144, but also 288x288 (4XLs next to each other), and even more (I don't remember the limit, unfortunately). So you can play one game for a month! There, the luck factor is probably 0? :D
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Nagan keeps talking about suspicions of cheating and, as a result, the need for real-life games. I'm informing the public that, according to the creator of the WT version, asm, the anti-cheat will be ready before the May holidays (of course, in the WT version)! There will likely be several versions of the anti-cheat, which will be replaced one after another. First, the random maps and save files will be encrypted; a little later, all maps created by the generator and save files will be stored on asm's server (some game settings are already taken from the server in this version), and even further down the line, an even more effective method is planned.
Today, we played this version with Sticky, using simultaneous turns! On templates without computer opponents, the chances of not encountering critical bugs are 65%. We played up to 115 turns in an hour and a half of full-fledged battles, and we chose all the restarts! Think about it! All this in an hour and a half!!! There were no bugs. On templates with computer opponents, critical errors are still inevitable.
You can find a description of all the features and capabilities, as well as download this version, which is 22 MB and can be installed on any Heroes of Might and Magic 3 (SoD) version 3.0 and higher, here:
http://www.heroeswt.net/download/h3wtsetup.exe.
It works perfectly without simultaneous turns.

Why am I writing and advertising all this? Oh, yes! A very effective and rational proposal has emerged! In the case of the semi-finals... For those who can't come but would really like to participate (this is for those who have already played in the qualifying rounds), I propose a real compromise! Play the semi-finals on this version with ANTI-CHEAT over the internet (not for everyone, but for those in distant regions)... that is, let's say a group from Siberia joins the Michurinsk semi-final over the internet, and those in Michurinsk play all the games with these people on the WT version. The same applies to a group from Yekaterinburg. The result: after such semi-finals, the top 10 of the best players will play in the final in person (and not just those who were able to travel). I am confident that if DeepMike (or other likely finalists) makes it into such a reduced (in terms of quantity, but not quality) final, he will come to the meeting even in Kyiv!
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But Nadal knows that if he goes to a tournament, he won't find grass under his feet :D That's what I'm talking about. And I'm sure that in tennis, it doesn't happen that the semi-final is played on grass, and the final on clay... or maybe even on a table tennis table :D Does that make sense?

That's exactly what I'm saying.
So that something like that doesn't happen, everyone should vote, and "Nadal" will know that grass will definitely be used, and not the clay they prefer. For this, it is enough to be able to read and be able to visit this topic where it will be decided what rules to play by.
РП (Реальное папство!)
*Автосейвы не беру и не даю.

Скачать WT (Чат, античит, одновременный ход) http://www.heroeswt.net/download.php

Награда Лучшему игроку сезона Осень 2009 за Оплот
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That's exactly what I'm saying.
Everyone should vote, and they'll know that the grass will be there no matter what, and not the ground they prefer.
All they need to do is be able to read and visit this thread where the rules will be decided.
Everyone is talking about the same thing... The vote should have been held BEFORE the qualifiers. It's just not right that they'll be preparing the clay court specifically for Nadal. Right?
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Everyone is talking about the same thing... Only the voting should have been held BEFORE the qualifiers. Otherwise, it seems unfair that they will specifically prepare a clay court for Nadal. Isn't that right?

Why is this? There will be a vote. The majority will choose the "default" version (which will be priority in case of disagreements within a pair about what to play on). And with mutual agreement, you can play anything.
РП (Реальное папство!)
*Автосейвы не беру и не даю.

Скачать WT (Чат, античит, одновременный ход) http://www.heroeswt.net/download.php

Награда Лучшему игроку сезона Осень 2009 за Оплот
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Could you please clarify, will Nadal also be coming to Kyiv?
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Offline KobRa_RR
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Forrest
That's exactly what I'm saying.
So that everyone votes and "gives their opinion," and they'll know that the grass will definitely be there, and not the ground they prefer.
All it takes is being able to read and being able to visit this thread where the rules of the game will be decided.

How else can we get the message across to the public that the later we buy tickets, the more expensive it will be?
2Dirty: There's one like Vasya for every 10,000, and these 9,999 are contributing to Vasya so that he can have a comfortable old age. ;)
And as for whether it bothers him or not, ask him, don't guess. ;-) At least half a year ago, it definitely bothered him.
Nadal - Davydenko - that's what we need!
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There aren't any athletes in the modern world who excel in both hockey and soccer. I would compare this to tennis on different surfaces. There are tennis players who are favorites on clay but become easy targets on grass (many Spaniards and Argentinians). And there are very strong players who are good on all surfaces (Nadal, Federer, Djokovic).
The same applies to Heroes (an analogy to tennis). Some are very specialized – SOD smurfs (for example, Van), but within their specialization, they are strong players. And some are versatile and play very well in all versions (Alex, Stinger, Cobra, Le Bron). The former have two paths: continue in their specialization or become versatile and expand their capabilities.
Rafael Nadal was already the king of clay a few years ago (zero losses at Roland Garros for 3 years), but on grass, he was mediocre. Many told him that it wasn't his thing and that he shouldn't bother.
But he mastered the grass courts of Wimbledon, first reaching the final and then winning the tournament.

So, for us, changes in rules and versions are just changes in the surface. Naturally, for some, it's a major issue (SOD/Smurf players), but for others, it isn't (versatile players like Alex, Stinger, Cobra).
Forrest
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Whatever happens, everyone should vote, and they will know that grass will be used, no matter what, and not the clay they prefer.
To do this, you just need to be able to read and be able to visit the topic where the rules will be decided.

...and did they offer Nadal a table tennis racket? ))
rules in tennis - rules in Heroes
the surface on the court - templates in Heroes
the type of racket - the version of the game
if I misunderstood you, correct me, but the example is a bit off regarding the difference between surfaces and the difference between versions. ))

and Captain, you need to be more polite and think about what you write about other Heroes players; everyone who made it through the qualifiers deserves to be in the final and deserves respect!!!
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Offline MerlinTheMagician
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I humbly ask the All-Wise to stop flaming and post only on same topic.
Will Rafael Nadal honor the championship with his presence??? Perhaps you invited him as a sponsor??? If not, then why, excuse me, is there such a polemic here about his tennis skills...
As for the game version. When the first TE champ was held in Yekaterinburg—a trial one that Mee and Asm simply struggled through, persuading everyone and anyone to participate (myself included)—I was the one complaining the loudest, saying that it would be a completely different game. Yes, the game has changed. But the gameplay principles remained the same. If we have Bron sitting in the tavern with 7 basilisks, while the opponent only has two stacks instead of three—is that balanced? And what about a Fly scroll taken on the first week? Now that is exactly a lottery.
Now regarding SM. Very rarely have I seen absolutely unbeatable maps. That's exactly why subjective restarts are provided. A player's skill in Heroes consists not only of the ability to conduct a chess-like battle of monsters, the ability to build chains and save movement, but also in correctly assessing the playability of a given map, as well as the ability to choose the direction of expansion correctly.
Nevertheless, I agree to play any version of the game, but if it's classic SoD, we'll need to get several decks of poker cards, because there will be oh-so-many-hours of restarts.
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Offline Catch
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I think the main goal for everyone should be to hold a full-fledged championship. And for this, it is necessary that all finalists arrive. And for this, it is necessary not to oppose Aldeghir and Dust, and to figure out who is better, but to come up with conditions so that they both arrive, as well as all the other 20+ finalists.
Regarding the version. I think the best option is TE-Lite by default, by agreement of the players - any. And hope that the draw does not pit Van and Forrest against each other :)
Nagan, the idea with the semi-finals, as it seems to me, is not very good. If there are problems with traveling to the final, where will people get the opportunity to travel to both places?
Samurai's idea with WT and holding semi-finals on it is also not very good. Firstly, where is the guarantee that the version will be fully functional by May. Secondly, and I think this is the main thing, the tournament was conceived so that everyone could meet each other in person, chat live, etc.
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Offline Nagan-4
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Regarding the version. I still think that TE-Lite as the default is the best option, with players agreeing on any other version. And we should hope that fate doesn't pit Van and Forrest against each other.


We agreed that TE-Lite should be the compromise between supporters of different versions. If two TE players or two Heroes of Might and Magic players meet, they can play however they want, but the basic version should be Lite.
Nagan, the idea of semi-finals doesn't seem very good to me. If there are problems with traveling to the final, where will people find the opportunity to travel to both places?

It could work. If a person travels from far away, they probably took a vacation or part of a vacation. The Michurinsk semi-final would end earlier than the Kyiv one, it's just that everything is more organized, and no one denies that.
It would end one day earlier. The two winners would receive 10-15 thousand rubles each, and that would cover their travel expenses.
There are many trains to Ukraine, including to Kyiv. While the Kyiv semi-final was being played, the two finalists could arrive.

But these are just assumptions. Of course, it would be more logical to hold the final immediately and in one place. I think that Captain and Sam should talk to Yekaterinburg and the Siberians; perhaps it will be easier to reach an agreement there than through an online discussion.

If someone really can't make it, especially from Siberia, I can invite them to my tournament, which I hold every year - the Michurinsk Open Championship. A warm welcome and a strong lineup are guaranteed.

This is in no way an alternative to the CIS club championship; we just play for fun, it's a fan tournament.
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Well, during the qualifiers, SOD and SM, including the highly respected Forrest, were actively participating. And I think we should wait for all the qualifiers to finish and survey all participants about where and on which version they want to play. As for speculations like "I will go or not," I personally don't care – everyone is free to choose. Even if it's TE, I'll come to watch if the timing and budget allow.
Since my last post, 2 pages have been filled with comments :)
Van's post is the most sensible one.
The rest are just rambling.
I would ask people like Catch, Dirty, and others not to express their opinions about which version to play, which templates to use, and which rules to follow... i.e., not to engage in pointless chatter here.

Because we all seem to have decided that these issues will be decided only by the finalists.

I created a poll on 4 points.
The 4th point concerns the funds for travel for those who find it difficult to come – please let me know privately who is willing to contribute how much... :)

And in general, we are having the same argument again – about which versions and templates are better... this has ALWAYS been the case. We always argue... According to Dale Carnegie, almost 99% of those who argue always stick to their opinion. We have what we have, and changing the situation right before the tournament is not a good idea.

Therefore, I suggest we return to a realistic and constructive approach.

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While I was writing the post, Nagan wrote. I'll talk to the guys from Siberia... I haven't been able to reach Mike for 2 days yet :(
Yekaterinburg – they said they will resolve everything, probably no earlier than the 30th...
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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I would ask that people like Catch, Dirty, and others not express their opinion on which version to play, which templates and which rules to use... i.e., don't spam here.

Because we all apparently decided that these issues will be decided only by the finalists.
Since when did you become a finalist? You're not an organizer either, as far as I can tell. Even if the vote chooses Kyiv, you yourself said you won't be there. And besides our "spam" with Kostya, your posts also contain insults directed at the finalists from Siberia and Yekaterinburg. So first, take the logs out of your own eyes.
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Regarding the prize pool: here's a suggestion – everyone contributes as much as they want, but, like in poker, they can only claim a portion of the pot corresponding to their contribution. Splitting between 2 players: 70-30 Splitting between 3 or more players: 50-30-20-0-0-... For example, 5 people made bets and played in a tournament: Winner bet 0 rubles 2nd place - 100 3rd place - 300 4th place - 200 5th place - 300 Thus, the winner doesn't win anything (because they didn't bet). The second-place winner claims a pot of 400 rubles, of which they receive 50%, i.e., 200 rubles. Also, from this pot, the 3rd place receives 120 rubles, and the 4th place receives 80 rubles. The next pot, worth 300 rubles, is claimed by the 3rd to 5th places. They receive 150 rubles, 90 rubles, and 60 rubles, respectively. And the last pot, worth 200 rubles, is split between the 3rd and 5th places in a ratio of 140-60. Thus, the players won: 1) 0 2) 200 (+100) 3) 410 (+110) 4) 170 (-30) 5) 120 (-180) I think this system will avoid any disputes about contributions to the prize pool and will also satisfy both the desires of high rollers and the desires of freerollers.
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