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If we consider two cities as potential venues for the final, I think Michurinsk is more suitable for a Heroes tournament. After all, Nagan has a lot of experience in organizing club championships; the stories about the wake-up calls speak for themselves – you can immediately feel a serious and dedicated approach. I'm not saying that Kyiv doesn't have a serious approach; we had an excellent qualifying tournament there, and I once again want to commend the Captain! It's just that you can really feel that Nagan is ready to dedicate a significant amount of time to organizing the tournament, and I wouldn't be surprised if the championship under his leadership turns out even better. But…

I remember the qualifiers in Kyiv; I spent two days in front of the monitor, not counting the time spent watching football and going out for one lunch. People came from distant cities; it seemed like a great event, after so much virtual communication, we finally met in person.

I chatted with Tolyan, since he stayed at my place, with Armageddon while we were waiting for his train, and a little with Neo, and that was pretty much it.

I wanted to see how everyone plays, ask them why they do things one way and not another. To chat about different topics, to get to know people better. There wasn't enough time for that.

In my opinion, there's a great group of people who are united by their love for the game. We don't often have the opportunity to meet in person. With so much effort required to gather and spend four days in a club? For me, live communication with people is a higher priority than the game. I'm much more interested in finding out how people live and what they do than finding out who plays Heroes 3 the best. I think Kyiv has a better position for organizing a good cultural event. For a specific Heroes championship, Michurinsk is better.

I choose Kyiv :)
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Why am I personally rooting for Kyiv? I've been to Michurinsk many times, and I know the people there well. The player base is similar to the one that goes to Kingisepp – it's mostly from the European part of Russia and Belarus. But Ukrainian players don't travel much; they're only gathering for the qualifier now. I'd like to meet them, see how they play, and show off my own skills. I hope that the tournament will be attended not only by the winners of the qualifier but also by other local players. Plus, yes, I'd like to see Kyiv; I've never been there. From an organizational and logistical standpoint, Michurinsk is more convenient. But the aforementioned advantages of Kyiv outweigh those for me personally.
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I remember the selection process in Kyiv; I spent 2 days in front of the monitor, not counting the time for football and one lunch break.
And I managed to spend a good amount of time watching each player play – it was a great experience! I can only imagine what the finals will be like. Several people from Ukraine have already written to me, saying that even though they won't be participating in the finals, they want to come to Kyiv for the "zubr" gathering.
And the "zubrs" will gather.

Regarding the game version.
Most of the players will be TE players. Therefore, the tournament will most likely be held on TE, TE-Lite, or SOD. I suggest giving the players the right to choose. Let each pair agree on which version they want to play. If there is absolutely no consensus, then the priority will be SOD (as all TE players play on it). But I don't think there will be such disagreements – are there any pure SOD players here?

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Right now, the most pressing issue is the availability of seven players: Mike from Siberia, Leha, Term, Dust, and three players from Yekaterinburg. I would like to ask them to reply here or send me a message on ICQ (310-362-915) about their ability to come to Kyiv. If someone cannot make it, please let me know who can take their place. And I would also like to ask all portal players: if you see these players online, please ask them the same question (as they may not visit this forum very often).

After that, we will address the next issues...
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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Captain. Since you're the organizer, I have a request – please, no tricks. With the draw, the rules, and everything else. I know you enjoy doing that and you're good at it. Just as you are at arguing why things should be done one way and not another.

For example, you've already expressed your opinion about the rules. Then, you might say something like, "by default, use the standard map, and then agree on the rest." You can do that, right? :)

You could also create a bracket in such a way as to ensure that one of your favorites makes it to the finals.

There's no need for all of this. The Heroes community is quite democratic; if necessary, it can self-organize and express a collective... hmm... wish.

To avoid this, it's better to initially adhere to the principle of "the rules are determined by a vote of the players." Just like it was with the location. The same should be done to determine the base version, the list of templates, etc.

In my opinion, it's obvious that Light will win the vote for the version. Therefore, the tournament should be held on it. By mutual agreement, Full or SoD.

It's more complicated with the templates; in my opinion, we should survey the players, ask each of the finalists to name 5 templates they would like to play on, and then simply add up the votes for each template and determine the final five.

Something like that...
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Wicc
Captain. Since you're the organizer, I have a request – please, don't try to be sly. With the draw, the rules, and everything else. I know you enjoy doing that and you're good at it. Just as you are at arguing why things should be done one way and not another.

For example, you've already expressed your opinion about the rules. Later, you might say something about the templates, like "by default, use the standard template, and then agree on the rest." You can do that, right? :)

You could also create a bracket in such a way as to ensure that one of your favorites makes it to the finals.

There's no need for all of this. The Heroes community is quite democratic; if necessary, it can self-organize and express a collective... hmm... wish.

To prevent this from happening, it's better to initially adhere to the principle of "the rules are determined by a vote of the players." Just like it was with the location. The same should be done to determine the base version, the list of templates, etc.

In my opinion, it's obvious that the vote will favor the Light expansion. Therefore, the tournament should be held on that version. By mutual agreement, it could be Full or SoD.

The templates are more complicated; I think we should survey the players, ask each of the finalists to name 5 templates they would like to play on, then simply add up the votes for each template and determine the final five.

Something like that...
The request is accepted. ...but Wicc, keep in mind that this is a request... yours... not as a player... and let's all try to do this without arguments and settling scores. I seem to be reasonable; we'll come to an agreement.)

Regarding the rules, the version, the templates... no one has decided anything yet. There was only a suggestion to use TE-Light as a basis. Right?

Although almost all the TE players are here. So, I'm leaning towards the tournament being on TE-Full. But all of this will be decided when everyone who will play gathers, i.e., who can come to the biggest Heroes gathering.)

About me pushing one of my own through... you know me, right? Then it's better to apologize for those words... or if you don't know me, try to talk to those who do.

After the circle of players is determined, they will determine the base version, the templates, and the rules themselves. My role will be to coordinate and guide things in the right direction, not to get involved in such squabbles... as Wicc is trying to do
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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Your request is accepted. ...but Vic, keep in mind that this is a request... yours... not from a player... and let's all try to do this without arguments and settling scores. I'm a reasonable person, we'll come to an agreement.
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Regarding the rules, version, templates... no one has decided anything yet. There was only a suggestion to use TE-Lite as a basis. Isn't that right? Although almost all TE players are here. So, I'm leaning towards the tournament being on TE-Full. But all of this will be decided when everyone who will play gathers, i.e., who can come to the biggest Heroes gathering.
Yeah. But it won't be completely Full, there are still quite a few SOD players in the final.
Regarding the fact that I'll be pushing some of my own players... you know me, right? Then it's better to apologize for those words... or if you don't know me, try to ask those who do.
I don't know. I'm ready to apologize, but out of politeness, not because I believe it.
After the circle of players is determined, they will decide on the basic version, templates, and regulations. My function will be to coordinate and guide in the right direction, and not to get involved in such squabbles... as Vic is trying to do.
You're absolutely right. I reacted because I saw a discrepancy in your previous words with this position. I'll be glad if I'm wrong.
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Right now, the most pressing issue concerns seven players: Mike from Siberia, Leha, Term, Dust, and three from Yekaterinburg. They are kindly requested to respond here.

Well, let's be honest. It's unlikely that I'll be able to visit Kyiv. I explained the problem in my previous post. I've just found out about the costs. There are no direct flights from Novosibirsk to Kyiv. Going through Moscow costs 15 per person round trip. So, I need 30 just for the travel, plus accommodation, food, and a cultural program for my wife while I'm hanging out at the club. In total, I need about 50. That's not ideal; it's cheaper to go to Egypt or Turkey. :-)

I would go to Michurinsk alone, even by train. I could even use the price difference in the ticket to buy her something nice :D. But my wife definitely wouldn't agree to that, and I don't want to leave her. She still brings up the time I went to St. Petersburg alone and didn't take her. She really wants to go somewhere herself!

Deep Mike, I think he'll respond himself, but as far as I remember from our conversation in Barnaul, the probability of him showing up in Michurinsk is not very high, let alone Kyiv.
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Could Yekaterinburg be chosen as the geographical center? :) Moreover, they have a good community there and can organize everything perfectly.
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Wicc
In my opinion, it's obvious that Light will win the vote.

Why is it obvious?)
Light is basically the same as Sod, consider it. I, for example, would never vote for him.
I would suggest a version where the players agree on a pair. If there's no compromise, the judge flips a coin.
And why exactly 5 templates? The selection and voting scheme also needs to be discussed by all players, not "here, take it, vote for 5, 10, 12 templates, etc."

It's all just my opinion.
P.S. There's no need to badmouth Captain. Pushing someone through and so on. It has nothing to do with him.
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Forrest
If there is no compromise, the judge flips a coin.
immediately decides who will win (it's faster... :smile33: )
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30k just for travel from Novosibirsk. :eek: I don't know what would have to happen for me (and I think for any other participant in the selection process) to have the opportunity to spend that kind of money. Maybe there needs to be a wild and non-stop poker upswing :D
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There are no direct flights from Novosibirsk to Kyiv. Going through Moscow costs 15 per person round trip. So, I need to spend 30 just on the trip, plus accommodation, food, and a cultural program for my wife while I'm hanging out at the club. In total, I need about 50. It's not ideal; it's cheaper to go to Egypt/Turkey. :-)

I would go to Michurinsk alone, even by train. It would be better to compensate my wife for the price difference in the ticket :D. But she definitely won't agree, and I don't want to leave her behind. She still reminds me of when I went to St. Petersburg alone and didn't take her. She really wants to go somewhere herself!

Deep Mike, I think he'll respond himself, but as far as I remember from the conversations in Barnaul, the probability of him showing up in Michurinsk is not very high, let alone Kyiv.
I suggest we organize a heroic mega-party in Thailand :D. It will cost exactly 50k, as Leha wrote, and we can find direct flights from Novosibirsk. Our wives will be 100% happy, and even the losers will be 200% happy :D.
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I suggest organizing a grand heroes gathering in Thailand :D, right around 50k, as Lekha mentioned, we'll manage, and there are direct flights from Novosibirsk, the wives will be 100% happy, even the losers will be 200% happy :D
That's awesome!!! +1!!! It will be a pity for those who fly to Thailand and spend all their days staring at a monitor. The losers in the first round will be the winners :D
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I suggest organizing a grand heroes gathering in Thailand.

o_O. A qualifier in Thailand won't challenge my skills.
The cost through Moscow is 15 per person round trip. So, I need to spend 30 just on travel, plus accommodation, food, and a cultural program for my wife while I'm partying at the club. In total, I need about 50.

Damn, it's expensive. But I really want as many winners from the qualifiers as possible to come to the finals.
And why exactly 5 templates? The selection and voting process also needs to be discussed with all players, not just "here, take these and vote for 5, 10, or 12 templates, etc."


Just don't waste time discussing it. Players should know the list of templates at least three months before the finals. You can learn 5 templates in that time to play at a good level. More than that is already more difficult, in my opinion.
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o_O. A selector in Thailand won't be able to handle my brain.
Resting at popular resorts abroad is cheaper than in Russia; this is a reality of life.
Please note that tours to Egypt currently cost 13,000 rubles for 9 days, including flights + $100 if you want to return with souvenirs.
Plus, every respectable hotel has a conference room with computers connected to a network. This is specifically for conducting corporate seminars. However, this needs to be discussed separately.
But if you tell a travel agency that there will be 10-19 heroes, they will even offer you a discount.

In general, Kyiv is a beautiful city, and I would like to visit it.

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