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Offline SpiriTT
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well, the nearest one is today, but what about the next 1.5 months?
ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.
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With that schedule, I'm withdrawing my candidacy immediately.
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But I'll drop by sometime to watch Stinger play.
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Yeah, it's a bit sad. Especially for people with families. It's easier to free up an entire weekend and play everything at once than to run around every week.
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Wednesday 12:00 -- the draw takes place, then the organizers post the results on the website, and the players arrange among themselves when it is convenient for them to play until the next draw (this period coincides with one day off))). By the way, Moscow held the qualifying round for Krasnodar-2004 in exactly this way. At that time, the 2nd or 3rd winners were provided with free round-trip travel and accommodation at the expense of the prize fund (I'm not sure about the meals). The other Moscow players could come at their own expense, and the top players were unconditionally admitted to the main bracket, while the rest had to go through the qualification... but this was only for members of the Chaos League, a co-founder of Krasnodar. As for players from other cities, they thought about it... however, apart from Samurai, no one else seemed to apply. Well, in my opinion, there are more disadvantages to a 3-day event for local players, and another important fact is that it is not easy to find a decent club in Moscow for the entire 3 days! All the express tournaments (also featuring the same five games, together with Nival) took one day (from about 11 am to 7 pm), but they had a duel format, and in the end, they had to hold about 4 of them... not counting the final, for which they found a super demo room with 4 large screens! :) P.S. Either Asus or Gigabyte held a tournament in Moscow for the same five games - they crammed the players from other cities into such a dump! Although the budget was probably not small... the games lasted only 2 days, but the conditions in which the guys lived were not inspiring :( but beer helped :D
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Wednesday 12:00 -- the draw takes place, then the organizers post the results on the website, and the players arrange among themselves when it is convenient for them to play until the next draw (this period coincides with one day off))).

By the way, Moscow held the qualifying round for Krasnodar-2004 in exactly this way.
At that time, either the 2nd or 3rd place winners were provided with free round-trip travel and accommodation at the expense of the prize fund (I'm not sure about meals).
The other Moscow players could come at their own expense, but the top players were unconditionally admitted to the main bracket, while the rest had to go through the qualification... but this was only for members of the Chaos League, a co-founder of Krasnodar.

As for players from other cities, they thought about it... however, besides Samurai, no one else seemed to apply. Well, in my opinion, there are more disadvantages to a 3-day event for local players, and an important fact is that it is difficult to find a decent club in Moscow for the entire 3 days!!!!! All the express Tournaments (for the same five games, together with Nival) took one day (somewhere from 11 am to 7 pm), but there was a duel format, and in the end, they had to hold about 4 of them... not counting the final, for which they found a super demo room with 4 large screens!...... :)

P.S. Either Asus or Gigabyte held a tournament in Moscow for the same five games - they crammed players from other cities into such a dump!!! Although the budget was probably not small... the games lasted only 2 days, but the conditions in which the guys lived were not inspiring :( but beer helped :D
So, I understand that there won't be a decent tournament in Moscow? Should I buy tickets to St. Petersburg?
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5) List of registered participants:
vitalic
Piterius - from another city (apparently from Ukraine)
SAG
Yama-dharma
PReDS - doesn't want to
Samurai - from another city
SpiriTT - doesn't want to
Stinger
StickyFingaz - doesn't want to
Pit for LM
Lanser - no activity
Markon
Keba - from another city (also apparently from Ukraine)

Out of the initial 12, only 5 remain. Maybe someone from the Chaos League will join.
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StickyFingaz
5) List of participants:
vitalic
Piterius - from another city (apparently from Ukraine)
SAG
Yama-dharma
PReDS - doesn't want to
Samurai - from another city
SpiriTT - doesn't want to
Stinger
StickyFingaz - doesn't want to
Pit for LM
Lanser - no activity
Markon
Keba - from another city (also apparently from Ukraine)

Out of the initial 12, only 5 remain. Maybe someone from the Chaos League will join.
I want to, but for a proper club tournament, an organizer is needed. When everyone just agrees on a game individually, it's not a tournament. You send a private message to each person, asking if they want to play in the club, and if someone agrees, you arrange a time.
Sila has been running such tournaments in Alaska non-stop for many years.
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By "doesn't want to," I meant a disagreement with the current tournament format.
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Offline wowa
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As I understand it, there won't be a proper tournament in Moscow? Should I buy tickets to St. Petersburg?

You didn't experience those times.
The organizers provide:
1) a draw
2) a venue
3) coverage
4) legitimacy
5) optional prizes

Now, about the quality of the game.
Imagine – at a football championship, there are 2 matches a day for 3 days in a row... and, by the way, the matches are played with considerable effort, with a lot of practice, but often mistakes decide the outcome... remember Michurinsk ;)
True, they played for 4 minutes back then; it will be easier now :)

And the issue isn't about the absolute optimality of the scheme – there are drawbacks both here and there... but it's practically always possible to play 2 games in a week, without being completely out of the loop for 3 days...

...oh yes, I almost forgot: in Moscow, there hasn't been a single tournament yet where games are played for several days in a row, and there's no sign that this tradition will be broken anytime soon :)

P.S.: Perhaps the priorities were set incorrectly, and the qualifying tournament was considered purely a Moscow event.
This scheme is definitely unacceptable for respected players from other cities :(
But the geographical principle follows from the name – there was a similar tournament in Kyiv, but perhaps the timing wasn't convenient ;) Here, too, it's actually inconvenient in terms of timing :)
In that case, I can try the following – I'll contact Napalm and Co. and discuss the idea of gathering all the "rejects" in Kingisepp... that is, players from other cities who didn't qualify in their own regions... with a serious approach, I don't think poker will be a hindrance to anyone :D
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny
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Offline SAG
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Hello everyone. I've been a bit out of the discussion for several reasons - work, the HeroesWorld forum was down for a couple of days, etc.
News:
a) There are no exact agreements with clubs yet. I was counting on help from Muscovites in this matter, but so far everything is just talk and very slow.
b) Since there's no agreement with clubs, I'll have to shift the schedule, hopefully not by much. The exact dates will likely become known within the next week.
c) I definitely see no point in stretching the tournament over 2 months. I'm hoping for 10-20 days.
d) Unfortunately, it's very inconvenient to play with out-of-town players in any case. So we're counting on those who are permanently in Moscow and the near Moscow suburbs. Samurai withdrew due to personal circumstances.
e) I will contact everyone who signed up for the tournament by phone as soon as there is concrete certainty. So don't worry about missing anything important on the forum.
f) There is progress with the broadcasts; the probability that I'll manage to finish them before the tournament is over 70%
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A short tournament lasting 2-3 days would be better. The opportunity to come and meet each other is worth it, in my opinion.
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The grass used to be greener, and the trees taller...
In my opinion, nowadays, a regular home internet connection is perfectly sufficient for holding tournaments that span over time. Back then, people would compete within their local groups at home in HotS or at university/home/club LAN parties, and then gather in clubs to see whose "sandbox" was better.
The current series of tournaments, again in my opinion, pursues not only the stated goals but also unstated ones: uniting communities, allowing players to get to know each other personally (which in most cases leads to resolving conflicts on forums), and so on. Therefore, the participation of players from other cities in the Moscow tournament is only welcome.
Moreover, the Moscow tournament has a specific task: many are looking forward to it to finally clarify the situation regarding Vitalik. I remember many suggesting that he participate in a club tournament and demonstrate the same results as in online tournaments; many (including me) simply wanted to see his playing style – again, the proposed tournament format makes the second point practically impossible.
I will try to participate in the tournament regardless of the format or rules. But at this historical stage (:p), I believe that a club tournament should adhere to the principles of classical drama: unity of time, place, and action.
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Offline Oelm
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What's so unclear about Vitalik? Well, he'll come, and he might even beat everyone. So what? Or do you expect him to also find the necessary secondaries, Dragon Utopia, artifacts, and cons in the club? I think not.
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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Offline wowa
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I'm also going to be less active due to a job change.(((((

The timeline will depend on the number of participants, I think. If at least some of the old guard join, that would be fantastic!))))
But they should be invited when everything is ready, that's obvious! :)
I'll let you know when there's news – then we can start pushing for it. I still have a huge list of Chaosites in my ICQ, although it's not as extensive as Alexei's mailing list...
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny
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A short tournament lasting 2-3 days would be better. I think it's worth the trip just to meet everyone.
It's very difficult to fit everything into 3 days, plus I'd have to take time off work. 2 days is completely unrealistic. Therefore, unfortunately, a minimum of 2 weekends, and more likely even 3.
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