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Neira Drake
Yeah, and we won't survive without the sun...
We will survive if we find an alternative sun... the question is whether we will be able to adapt to another planet - because a suitable one will certainly differ from Earth in terms of gravitational field, etc. And people are currently used to living in Earth's gravitational field... We will need many generations to adapt to another planet in advance, otherwise, we will most likely die shortly after moving there...
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Um... generally, the smaller the Sun, the hotter it burns, and the larger it is, the weaker... So if it starts to "expand," we're more likely to face an ice age than the opposite – it will start to shrink and turn blue (such suns are hotter), and then it will burn us... and then explode...
I agree with that. First, the Earth will freeze, and then the Sun will become so large that it will simply engulf the Earth (or, more precisely, when the star gets close enough, the Earth will evaporate). However, due to the decrease in the Sun's mass (which loses 4 million tons per second), the Earth's orbit will increase, but it's not a given that it will increase faster than the star's size. But even now, scientists with their supercomputers cannot say for sure what will happen in "a few billion years."
Yeah, and we won't survive without the sun...
It seems like people didn't quite understand my point. Well, never mind, I just wanted to point out the absurdity of the statement with a similar absurdity, and instead, we had a perfectly reasonable discussion about astronomy :D
O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.


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Alex Ghost

It's all nonsense (at least for now) - first, how will they be able to build something like that, and what materials will they use so that all these engines can withstand the gravitational pressure that could move the Earth... most likely, they will all simply fall apart. Secondly, how can they even hope to restore the orbit around the sun...

At the moment, all such plans are pure idiocy...
http://www.astrogalaxy.ru/277.html the fourth point, but I definitely greatly exaggerated about the 30 years. At the moment, this is indeed not feasible, but, in my opinion, it is not nonsense and certainly not idiocy.
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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Major Whirlwind
I agree with that. First, the Earth will freeze, and then the Sun will become so large that it will simply absorb the Earth (or, more precisely, when the star is close enough, the Earth will evaporate). However, due to the decrease in the Sun's mass (which loses 4 million tons per second), the Earth's orbit will increase, but it is not certain that it will increase faster than the size of the star. But even now, scientists with their supercomputers cannot say for sure what will happen in "several billion years."
It is unlikely that the Sun will expand so much... Most likely, in this case, it may become a black hole with a higher probability... or it will simply fade away...
Hermit
http://www.astrogalaxy.ru/277.html, the fourth point, but I definitely greatly exaggerated about 30 years. At the moment, this is indeed not feasible, but, in my opinion, it is not nonsense and certainly not idiocy.
I read the fourth point. It's still nonsense... Again, they don't consider whether the structure will be able to withstand the gravitational shift... Regarding how many times the engines will be launched, it will definitely not be every day, but some number of times a year, because the sun is "exactly above the equator" not every day. What will happen to people while the planet is moving at such a pace?... And the finale - a satellite of Jupiter - do they even understand what kind of nonsense this is?! As soon as we move into Jupiter's shadow, we will all freeze!

P.S. Physicist... He understands physics, but judging by all, he is as far from astrophysics as he is from Alpha Centauri now...
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Alex Ghost

I read point four. It's still nonsense... They don't consider whether the structure can withstand a gravitational shift... As for how many times the engines will be launched, it certainly won't be every day, but rather a few times a year, because the sun isn't "exactly above the equator" every day. What will happen to people while the planet moves at this pace?... And the finale - a satellite of Jupiter - do they even understand how absurd that is?! As soon as we move into Jupiter's shadow, we'll all freeze!

P.S. He's a physicist... He understands physics, but judging by all this, he's as far from astrophysics as he is from Alpha Centauri right now...
Well, in general, over the course of the year, the total displacement of the Earth from the sun will occur in a plane rotated from the plane of the equator by the angle of the Earth's axis. As far as I understand, each of the engines will need to be turned on once a day. The entire structure of one of the engines, together with the tower, should only be able to withstand the load created by the engine and its own weight. Perhaps this is possible. And nothing particularly terrible will happen to people, if, of course, they start in time. And I don't think it says that the Earth should become a satellite of Jupiter. It should only move away from the Sun to the distance where Jupiter's orbit is located.
P. S. Although, of course, the year will then last as many days as on Jupiter, and the winters and summers will be like that :). In general, I don't know. It probably won't affect me, but there...
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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The Sun's mass is insufficient for its evolution to culminate in a supernova explosion. Instead, in 4-5 billion years, it will turn into a red giant star. As the hydrogen fuel in its core is depleted, its outer shell will expand, while the core will contract and heat up. In approximately 7.8 billion years, when the temperature in the core reaches about 100 million degrees, a thermonuclear reaction will begin, synthesizing carbon and oxygen from helium. At this stage of development, temperature instabilities within the Sun will cause it to begin losing mass. Apparently, the expanding outer layers of the Sun will reach the current orbit of Earth at this time. However, research shows that even before this point, the Sun's mass loss will cause the Earth to move to a more distant orbit from the Sun, thus avoiding being engulfed by the outer layers of solar plasma. [11]

Despite this, all the water on Earth will turn into a gaseous state, and most of its atmosphere will dissipate into space. The increase in the Sun's temperature during this period is such that, over the next 500-700 million years, the Earth's surface will be too hot for life to exist in its current form. In this regard, interstellar travel will undoubtedly become essential for the survival of humanity.

Actually, here it is.
O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.


G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal
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Hermit
Well, in general, over the course of a year, the Earth's movement away from the sun will occur in the plane of the equator, although specifically, this will only happen on the days of the equinox. As far as I understand, each of the engines will need to be activated once a day. The entire structure of one of the engines, together with the tower, should only withstand the load created by the engine and its own weight. Perhaps this is possible. And nothing particularly terrible will happen to people, as long as they start on time. And I don't think it says that the Earth should become a satellite of Jupiter. It should only move away from the Sun to the distance where Jupiter's orbit is located.
Then the engines should not be in the plane of the equator, but along the line of inclination of its own axis in relation to the sun - almost diagonally to the equator...
And it specifically says "satellite"... read more carefully...
Major Whirlwind
Actually, here.
This is all inaccurate... they can't even predict the financial crisis right now - let alone the mysteries and paradoxes of the universe... Science does not take into account randomness and chaotic factors...

Life itself began with an "error"... how can one say that everything they predict will come true...
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Although I always thought that people in such a distant future would either no longer exist (genetic modifications, implants, and the like could transform people into something that no longer resembles humans, or they might simply destroy themselves), or they would find other places to live.
O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.


G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal
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well, I don't know, but to build all sorts of towers and other international projects, we need to stop fighting each other. Maybe then something will work out when humanity becomes united.

Be strong. Believe