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I told you, it's French. It's not at all what our unshaven guys, with their hoarse, smoke-filled voices, are singing about when they complain about how badly their buddies are doing behind bars. It would be nice to familiarize yourself with the subject of discussion before passing judgment.
It's not even mentioned in Wikipedia, enlighten me, what's the difference if it's only in the lyrics and the voice, then I'm right....
Added 1 minute ago Maggot
kj1313. I wasn't talking about TV ;)
Then what were you talking about?
Added 3 minutes ago oxygen_hl
It's hard to answer anything. If you think that all modern performers are better than PF, then I'm even at a loss :)
Well, not all of them, although it's hard to find a bad one... Well, Tool or Isis, for example, I like more than PF....
I told you, it's French. It's not at all the kind of thing our unshaven guys, with their hoarse, smoke-filled voices, are crooning about, lamenting how terribly their buddies are doing behind bars. It would be nice if you would familiarize yourself with the subject of discussion before passing judgment.
Do you really think your comment will inspire this sophisticated metalhead to listen to Piaf or Aznavour? Gur rightly noted that many here defend metal more for image reasons. They simply won't broaden their musical horizons; they're not interested in that. I can tell you, "Want to listen to what Madness is?" and you'll listen because you're interested in learning something new. But for most, the main thing is to prove how incredibly heavy the music they listen to is. By the way, guys, I have a suggestion for you: shouldn't we start a new topic: "How quickly did your neighbors' chandelier fall when you cranked up the REAL music to full volume?" In my opinion, it's an incredible criterion for the coolness of musical taste. :smile54: oxygen_hl
If modern artists are all better than PF in your opinion, then I'm even at a loss :)
Of course, they're better... they're just louder. :smile04:
Added 2 minutes ago kj1313
It's not even written in Wikipedia, enlighten me, what's the difference if it's only in the lyrics and the voice, then I'm right....
Yes, in the lyrics, the voice, the music, and the performance style. Otherwise, it's all the same, obviously. Don't even bother.
Friends, this song,
Is easy to learn.
You can sing it with a guitar,
Or without one.
Even if a bear
Steps on your ear,
You can sing this song
Without having any musical ear!
La-la-la-la-la...
Those who got twos
In singing lessons,
Also want to sing –
Their patience has run out.
Winds blow in February
And a blizzard sweeps...
And it doesn't matter what we sing,
The main thing is that it's loud.
If your voice is hoarse,
Spit, rub it.
If you can't sing, then
Just speak.
Those who can't speak,
Let them roar like an engine.
And it doesn't matter what we shout,
The main thing is that it's loud.
This song is good,
Like a potato in a campfire!
Those who don't sing,
Are doing wrong.
Winds blow in February
And a blizzard sweeps...
And it doesn't matter what we sing,
The main thing is that it's loud!
But if you are really interested, don't ask for academic definitions. Listen to Édith Piaf (for easy searching - Édith Piaf), for example, her "Non, je ne regrette rien," and find ten differences from some Lyubov Uspenskaya (or whoever is playing on the "Shanson" radio). By the way, Wikipedia can also enlighten you that Piaf is considered the greatest singer of the 20th century.
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As a rule, the "love" for heavy rock arises from a desire to assert oneself: they think, "I'm not like everyone else, I'm better."
That's a silly statement. Take me, for example. I mainly listen to metal, but I also enjoy classical music and many old pop songs, even though I don't listen to them much – I don't have to, because there's music that I like more. People listen to metal because they like it, just like they listen to pop or club music. It's a matter of taste, not showing off.
Well, there are indeed such cases, I won't argue. However, your words now sound like mockery of this style, which contradicts your statement that good music can be found in any style.
Step aside from the way of a better man than you So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you Its the servants devotion for the decay Stand up
I don't think comparing Pink Floyd and Isis is entirely appropriate....
Explain why I can't compare progressive bands with other progressive bands? Slonysh
And also to kj1313
And if you're really interested, don't ask for academic definitions. Listen to Edith Piaf (for easy searching - Йdith Piaf), for example, her "Non, je ne regrette rien," and find ten differences from some Lyuba Uspenskaya (or whoever is playing on the "Chanson" radio). By the way, Wikipedia can also enlighten you that Piaf is considered the greatest singer of the 20th century.
I won't take back my words; if you can't articulate the difference, then everything is clear... I, of course, listened to both singers before writing (I knew about Edith Piaf; they recently made a movie about her), and the difference is minimal; in French, everything is a bit more serious (I would even say boring); in ours, it's a little simpler but more fun; I won't say anything about vocal data, but it's still close to pop music.
P.S. You can kick me, but it didn't affect me at all...
Added 2 minutes ago eXeCuToR
Well, there are some, I won't argue. However, your words now sound like a mockery of this style, which contradicts your words that there is good music in every style.
I agree; we've somehow deviated from the topic, and I've started writing off-topic)
Added 5 minutes ago Maggot
About everything :) Shops, various establishments (hairdressers, for example), acquaintances, just people, etc. :)
Do you only have pop music on your shelves?!!!!!! Do your acquaintances listen to terrible noise when you're around?!!!!!! Do people everywhere pursue you and try to get you to listen to pop music?!!!!!
You're not lucky (in my case, it's mostly the opposite; for example, in the subway, you can hear pleasant bands like Slipknot, etc.
I won't take back my words. If you can't articulate the difference, then everything is clear.
Who taught you to talk to ladies like that? You're such a metalhead.
In French, everything is more serious, of course (I'd even say it's more boring). Ours is a bit simpler, but more fun. I won't comment on the vocal data, but it's still comparable to pop music.
P.S. You can kick me, but I don't care at all...
Yes, no one expected you to be affected (by the way, what does that mean? Something about chickens, I think). But, of course, we had too optimistic hopes that you would still feel the difference. Well, then at least look at the opinion of the world, if your own stereotypes of black, shaking hair and the terrible roar of amplifiers prevent you from doing so. Piaf doesn't sweep the floor with her hair, she doesn't drown out port wine in the basements – it's pop music, definitely. :)
Well, if that's the case, at least take a look at what the rest of the world thinks, if your own opinion is preventing you from forming a stereotype of black, shaking hair and the terrifying roar of amplifiers. Piaf doesn't sweep floors, and port wine isn't served in basements – it's definitely pop music. :)
I understand that you're arguing. Go ahead. But this phrase sounds like a mockery of everyone who listens to this style. Maybe you could address your messages in a way that avoids misunderstandings? Or is there a stereotype that "all metalheads are idiots"?))
Step aside from the way of a better man than you So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you Its the servants devotion for the decay Stand up
What surprises me most is this... I think many of us have encountered the phenomenon of the older generation rejecting modern music. Well, I doubt all grandmothers used to be fans of Black Sabbath. Quite often, when trying to discuss music with older people, you hear statements like, "All this modern stuff is just noise and nonsense." And no amount of "Nothing Else Matters" will convince them of its melodic qualities. They simply don't listen – neither to the music nor to the person they're talking to. And in this thread, I'm amazed to see the same stubborn conservatism, but not from the older generation. Young people, who are supposedly open-minded and receptive to all ideas and trends, are showing the same rigid stubbornness, but in the opposite direction: jazz, country, blues, chanson – "Ugh, it's all pop! And the heavier the music, the better." Think about it: how are you any better than the old man sitting on a bench in the courtyard, grumbling at the Rammstein blasting from the window: "Noise, a bunch of hairy idiots..."
Regarding not listening to the other person – that’s a very accurate observation. Do you even read what’s being written here? Only kj1313 said that he doesn’t like anything other than metal, while the others also enjoy other types of music; they just prioritize metal. And now you’re talking about conservatism and not listening to the other person. Although, okay. If the conversation continues in the same vein, then maybe it would be better to just say that we’re all young idiots who haven’t heard anything else, and that we only listen to metal because it’s cool, and also because we have complexes and a lack of brains, and that we’re also rude and don’t listen to the other person and generally don’t show respect. Wouldn’t that be easier, right?)) kj1313
I’m not arguing, I’m just expressing my opinion.
But it still comes across as an argument.
Step aside from the way of a better man than you So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you Its the servants devotion for the decay Stand up
I also don't like either chanson or classical music, simply because I don't like them. And if we're being honest, in a certain sense, they are pop music. Metal is pop music, and everything around it is pop music, and people get paid for practically any kind of music.
Regarding the point about "mastery" instead of music... 89% of beginner bands are exactly like that, and some that aren't eventually sometimes sink into this swamp. It's just a personal observation. And there are also examples that will last forever!)))
By the way, in that thought a few posts ago, I wanted to say that a master is someone who can create something beautiful regardless of the resources spent and their ability to use them.
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