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Offline bRitvo4kA
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The more additional coefficients, the less objective the rating becomes.
Absolutely!

I checked with a calculator how many points are added to the winner and how many are deducted from the loser.
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1) Games with coefficients should be included in the old rating; they won't be in the alternative one.
And that's correct.
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Offline Alex_R
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There's no need for any penalty system. This isn't work, after all. And if someone gets 10 requests to play in a day, and is obligated to play with each of them, there will be legal disputes, not games.
1) This isn't a system, and there are no penalties – I already wrote that anyone can refuse for an objective reason (if 10 people offer to play, refuse 9 of them).
2) Read the post more carefully – the meaning was completely different... the specific proposal is after the letters P.S.
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Offline Lider1
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Read it again. I understand the meaning. It just means that if this rule isn't strictly enforced, anyone who wants to avoid playing will find a way to do so (they'll come up with an excuse). But if it's enforced too strictly, it will create unnecessary problems for players (they'll have to play with almost anyone who challenges them, and they might not always have the time...). The main question is: what happens "when a player who has been challenged to a duel must accept the challenge at least once" but doesn't accept it? (What happens if a player who is obligated to accept doesn't?) Overall, I'm more in favor than against it. I just don't see the need for extra complications. Those who are willing to play with anyone will do so anyway, and those who aren't will still find an excuse. It's a dilemma.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Offline Alex_R
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Yeah, I agree that it's a dilemma :confused:. I personally don't think there will be a situation where a player can't find someone to play with, but to avoid being unsubstantiated, I suggested this, albeit somewhat clumsy, way to legalize it... In short, let's see how it goes – we need to clarify the details regarding the direct calculation of the rating and put it into action first, and then we can discuss the nuances related to the rating.:smile54:
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Offline Oelm
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Calculating without coefficients is uninteresting; it's already clear how things will turn out. Pure skill is what matters in tournaments!
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Offline Javdet
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Guys, you're wasting your time. No rating can accurately reflect the real strength of players, and you're arguing about nothing. Only a regular championship can show the real strength, but why did this topic die out?
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Offline StickyFingaz
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I just personally believe that there won't be a situation where a player can't find someone to play with, but to avoid being unsubstantiated, I suggested this, albeit clumsy, way to legalize it.
Oh, well, it seems like it will be a controversial improvement.
Calculating without coefficients is uninteresting, and it's already clear what will happen; pure skill is what matters in Tournaments!
There are players who only play in Tournaments, and there are those who only play for rating. It's hard to find a compromise here... Anyway, since I've been counting the Tournaments that are currently taking place without a rating, they will continue to be counted without one. As for the other Tournaments, we'll think about it; there's still time.
No rating can reflect the real strength of players.
I agree. But we can try to get it as close to reality as possible. Time will tell what happens. In the near future, I will add the new matches and make a proper table.

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Offline Дубровин Павел
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I would like to discuss this table. For example, I acknowledge that Beshi is a better player than I am. But it shouldn't be objectively true that a "Heroes" player (and I don't mean to offend Beshi), who has played 2-4 games and won them, should be ranked higher or on par with a "Heroes" player (I mean myself, for clarity), who has played 30+ games and has 20+ wins and 8 losses. Perhaps I am wrong, but this surprised me.
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
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Offline Javdet
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Dubrovin Pavel
I would like to discuss this table.

For example, I acknowledge that Beshi is at a higher skill level than me.

But it shouldn't be objectively true that a "Heroes" player (not trying to offend Beshi), who has played 2-4 games and won them, should be ranked higher or on par with a "Heroes" player (I mean myself, for clarity), who has played 30+ games and has 20+ wins and 8 losses.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it surprised me.:o

No, Pasha, everything is objective, and Paladin has a respectable 16th place, and Stinger didn't even make it into the top 20:D :D :D
It seems that this ranking was initially intended to be more fair than the previous one:smile54:
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Offline Dirty_Player
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Here's the rating we've got so far: D :D :D

If I'm not mistaken, this system is used to calculate the rating on ChessPlanet.
Chess rating is, in my opinion, the most objective, but it should have started at 2000.
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Offline StickyFingaz
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But objectively, it shouldn't be the case that a player (and I don't mean to offend Beshu), who has played 2-4 games and won them, should be ranked higher or on par with a player (I mean myself, for clarity), who has played 30+ games and has 20+ wins and 8 losses.
A player with such results can only be ranked lower if they won all their games against newbies and lost to good players.

Now, to all the other disgruntled players - Stinger played 1 game, Paladin - 2. No rating will provide objectivity here. But after 10 games with equally skilled players, you can already draw some conclusions.
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Offline Javdet
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A player with such results can only rank lower if all their wins were against newbies, and they lost to skilled players.

Now, to all the other complainers – Stinger played 1 game, Paladin – 2. This doesn't provide any objective basis for a rating. But after 10 games with equally skilled players, you can already draw some conclusions.

I'm just too lazy to read the whole thread. Can you summarize in two words what this rating is for? And what are the qualitative changes compared to the existing one?
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Offline StickyFingaz
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I'm just too lazy to read the whole thread, can you explain in two words what this rating is for? And what are the qualitative changes from the existing one?
In short, it's for objectivity. As mentioned in the first post, if you don't like it, you don't have to look at it.
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Offline Javdet
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In my opinion, there's even less objectivity here than in the seasonal one. I don't mean to offend anyone.
The most objective rating is the one each player has in their head.

What about the championship, has it stalled?
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Offline StickyFingaz
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What about the championship, is it stalled?
We're waiting for Evgeny =)
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