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Posts from Darkness or Light? Philosophy in Knights of the Old Republic.Auto-translated
I'm starting to like HK-47 and respect Canderus more and more... So, right now I'm playing as Dark Side... on Tatooine, I approached a woman near the Hunter's house... I went there with Canderus and HK-47... well, as usual, she asks me to buy something, and I reply, "I think I'll just take it." The woman, startled, says, "...are you kidding me?" Then I [Persuade with Force] and say, "You want to give me this plate (or something like that)," and then HK-47 chimes in, "Get away, woman, from the owner's property (or something like that)," and then Canderus says, "That's the fate of the weak, to give everything to the strong" (I don't remember exactly what he said :(). Poor old woman, she asked for help, and these "kind" guys showed up and "helped" her.
You should try playing with Canderus and Carth; they will talk and argue a lot, and Canderus and Bastila seem to do that too. In general, what's great about KOTOR is the different pairs of companions you can create and watch their interactions with each other (although some pairs stubbornly remain silent :()
Where do we go? Where do we end up when we save the world?
KotOR 1 is not optimized for a playthrough focused on the Dark Side – in fact, almost all your allies, except for HK-47 and Canderous, have a significantly greater affinity for the light, and if the first part had an influence system like the second, the light-side choice would be the primary one in most cases... And I don't quite like the ending for the Dark Side... of course, there's power, a fleet... but it all seems a bit overblown... isn't there some hint of cunning or individuality... It's almost as banal as the 3rd episode... aka Palpatine in a robe and his personal Vader... against the backdrop of a "not quite round Death Star" and a "fleet of fear."
By the way, I read somewhere that Revan couldn't do anything with the Death Star because it stopped functioning... Maybe I read this about the second part... if so, I apologize for my ignorance because I haven't played the second one yet :(. And what about Bastila? Or did they both become hermits together with Revan? Alex, I'm almost 100% sure you always play as the dark side :D.
By the way, I read somewhere that Revan's plan with the Death Star failed because it stopped functioning... Maybe I read this about the second part... if so, I apologize for my ignorance, as I haven't played the second part yet :(. And what about Bastila? Or did they both become hermits together with Revan?
In the second part, as it should be, they prepared the development for the first part in advance... almost at the beginning, you can determine in simple dialogues what gender and which Side Revan was... and as a result, many dialogues were changed accordingly... There are no mentions of the Star Forge or the Sith that Revan gathered... as if they never existed... I didn't hear the reason for the destruction of the army and the Star Forge in the dialogues... I didn't even hear that it existed for some time after the Civil War... About Bastila, only a few holographic recordings, again depending on the choice of side and gender of Revan... In any case, Revan left the Republic and went somewhere to fight a terrible enemy (as I wrote in the neighboring topic, most likely with the source of the Mandalorian invasion)... possibly to unknown regions of the galaxy, but there is a version that he went to a parallel galaxy to fight the threat of the Yuuzhan Vong (the expanded Star Wars universe and books)... Depending on the choice of Revan's side, you can see Carth and Bastila a couple of times in scripted scenes... monarh;172318
Alex, I'm almost 100% sure that you always play as the dark side:D.
Specifically in the Star Wars universe, yes... Because here, evil is not presented as "evil" as in other universes - that is, in Star Wars, the Sith are not short-sighted, all-powerful, purely selfish, and sadistically cruel creatures, but are more like a variation of "Chaos" against "Order" from the Neverwinter Nights universe... The Sith are very life-loving and more human than the Jedi... they have many hidden virtues, abilities, and charm... However, despite all this, in the dialogues of the second part, I made Revan a light side character... because seeing Bastila and having a little conversation with Carth is a pleasant moment... But in Jedi Academy, I still chose the light side... because the development of the further plot in the skin of a Sith is too stupid... it's not very Star Wars-like...
Regarding the Sith and Jedi, I disagree with you. A Sith doesn't know how to love, while a Jedi does (although this isn't in line with the Jedi Code and often leads them to the dark side). For a Sith, power is the most important thing, and they don't understand what mercy is, whereas mercy is a core principle for a Jedi. But in general, there's a lot to discuss here. :D P.S. Anakin Skywalker, for example, was a good person, but the fear of loss twisted him. P.P.S. Of course, being such a closed-off Jedi, like Bastila (at the very beginning), is also foolish.
I disagree with you about the Sith and Jedi. Sith don't know how to love, while Jedi do (although this isn't in their code and often leads them to the dark side :(). For a Sith, power is the main thing, and they don't know what mercy is, while mercy is a core principle for a Jedi. We could discuss this for a long time :). P.S. Anakin Skywalker, for example, was a good person, but the fear of loss twisted him. P.P.S. Of course, being such a closed-off Jedi, like Bastila (at the very beginning), is also foolish.
It would be great to play Knights of the Old Republic 2 – in many examples, the Sith are very human there... They are charming, cunning, and powerful, but they have a lot of normal human qualities... And, in my opinion, they surpassed the Jedi Council of that time in humanity... The main thing is to talk to your companions as often and effectively as possible...
No one disputes the cunning (and, of course, the treachery) of the Sith; take Palpatine, for example. Isn't he cunning? Isn't he treacherous? He is a prime example of a Sith. And I don't think anyone would argue that a Sith's life is easier. Take Knights of the Old Republic, for example; doing good deeds is difficult (and not profitable), while dark deeds are quite easy (and profitable). So, it turns out: You put in a lot of effort, and then you don't get anything for it (that's just the life of a Jedi). You practically do nothing, and then you even get paid for it (this is naturally the path of the Sith).
Yes, and I think no one will argue that the life of a Sith is easier.
The life of a Sith is actually much more difficult overall... because he has to think and strive for his own goals... develop complex plans and perform the most dangerous maneuvers to achieve them... while the Jedi have it simple - whatever the Council decides, that's what we do... And the Council makes decisions with ten heads, but incorrectly... A clear example is the Mandalorian Wars... when the Jedi Council sat around doing nothing, while Revan called for the manifestation of individuality and for each Jedi to make their own decisions... monarh;172383
Take, for example, KOTOR, doing good deeds is difficult (and not profitable), while dark deeds are quite simple (+ profitable). That is, it turns out: You put in a lot of effort, and then you don't get anything for it (that's just the life of a Jedi). You practically do nothing, and then you even get money for it (this is naturally the path of the Sith).
Well, the authors of KOTOR are still far from the ideal scenario... they took a straightforward approach, where you get everything you need in the process of completing the task... In the films, it is shown how Palpatine spent years achieving his goals... first using corruption in the Senate and an alliance with the "not very bright" Neimoidians, then, as Chancellor, he arranged the situation in such a way as to create a huge army for himself in response to the separatist union that he himself created... and then he spent years trying to reach a critical boiling point in order to reveal his cards and "win" the Empire...
In general, the Jedi Council in Knights of the Old Republic slightly disappointed me... Because, as you already said:
the authors of KOTOR are still far from a perfect script.
In the film, the Jedi Council is truly wise... But of course, no one disputes Palpatine's genius ;). By the way, if Qui-Gon Jinn had listened to the Jedi Council and abandoned the boy immediately, Palpatine wouldn't have achieved anything.
In the movie, the Jedi Council is actually quite wise... But of course, no one disputes Palpatine's genius ;). By the way, if Qui-Gon Jinn had listened to the Jedi Council and abandoned the boy immediately, Palpatine wouldn't have achieved anything.
I wouldn't say... Qui-Gon Jinn is one of the few normal Jedi who thinks for himself and makes decisions independently, while the council is foolish, arrogant, and selfish... they don't actually care about the slavery on Tatooine and that the boy, who is a concentration of the Force, might die as a slave or be found by the Sith and raised by them... There's a very striking scene in the 3rd episode where Yoda urges Anakin to let go, to let Padmé die... Where is the humanity in that?) The Jedi have essentially turned into ordinary soldiers who simply have to follow orders... Obi-Wan, by the way, didn't inherit Qui-Gon's charm or intelligence... The Jedi are supposed to save people, but what did he do - he entered into a battle, cutting down Anakin, without even trying to properly explain things to him... Even I would have found the right words in that situation...
:D. You shouldn't talk about Obi-Wan like that... what else could he do besides trying to help? If Anakin wasn't even listening to him. If Anakin had listened to Yoda, Padme wouldn't have died, and he wouldn't have turned to the dark side... Unfortunately, you underestimate the Wisdom of a True Jedi :).
:D. You shouldn't underestimate Obi-Wan... what else could he do besides trying to reason with him? Especially since Anakin wasn't listening. If Anakin had listened to Yoda, Padme wouldn't have died, and he wouldn't have turned to the dark side... Unfortunately, you underestimate the Wisdom of a True Jedi :).
Obi-Wan could have talked more, presented a series of convincing arguments that would have been enough to bring Anakin to his senses... He could have acted like Palpatine, but from the Light Side... Anakin's mistake was that he was taught to listen and obey... he couldn't think for himself, so everyone manipulated him... As a Jedi, he was just a weapon in the hands of others... And besides, he didn't know that his dreams were perfectly normal... They probably didn't tell him what a woman experiences during childbirth... because they were monks... incorrigible virgins:D In principle, the choice is obvious... if you feel death approaching, you will try to save your loved one by all means... of course, since he was never taught to think, he cut off Mace's hand... Mace Windu, by the way, also didn't learn to think... he was told that the Sith were such evil that they shouldn't even be listened to... and you can see how Palpatine provoked Mace and Anakin into specific actions during the battle... Well, what can you do if you're as dumb as a vegetable...
But still, agree that if Anakin had listened to Yoda's advice, Padme would be alive, and he would have remained on the side of the light. By the way, selfishness and, how to put it correctly... um... madness, or something like that, well, in general, about the Sith, or rather about their egoism and desire for omnipotence: In this very Episode III, remember what Anakin said to Padme when he met her:
Together, we will rule the galaxy!!!
Something like that. And in general, Obi-Wan should have finished off Anakin, even though it's not very Jedi-like. And in general, Anakin is some kind of... well, I don't know, I don't remember the type, well, in order to save his beloved, what did he do: He killed a lot of people, including younglings, switched to the Dark Side, I personally doubt that Padme would have wanted him to do such a thing for her.
In general, you need to listen to the advice of the Jedi :D.
But still, agree that if Anakin had listened to Yoda's advice, Padme would be alive, and he would have remained on the side of the light.
Interesting - would you listen to Yoda when he says that you shouldn't do anything and shouldn't save your beloved? :) monarh;172420
By the way, selfishness and, how to put it correctly... um... madness, I guess, well, in general, about the Sith, or rather about their selfishness and desire for omnipotence: In this same Episode III, remember what Anakin said to Padme when he met her:
Proof that the Sith are more human than the Jedi... we... love, etc. Not "I, and you will quietly lie in bed and be a good wife," but "We"... It would have been selfish of the Jedi on Tatooine not to take Anakin with them, leaving him to rot as a slave... which is what they were going to do if it weren't for Qui-Gon... They would have used the boy and left, waving goodbye... monarh;172420
And in general, Obi-Wan should have finished off Anakin, even though that's not very Jedi-like. And in general, Anakin is some kind of... well, I don't know, I don't remember the type, well, in order to save his beloved, what did he do: He killed a lot of people, including younglings, he went over to the Dark Side, I personally doubt that Padme would have wanted him to do such a thing for her.
In general, the whole problem with Anakin is what I wrote in the previous answer... that he only acts and doesn't think with his head... Otherwise, he wouldn't have listened to Palpatine, but would have figured everything out for himself... monarh;172420
In general, you need to listen to the advice of the Jedi.
In general, you need to listen only to yourself... that's what the Sith do... listen to them:D
Interesting – would you listen to Yoda if he told you that you shouldn't do anything and shouldn't save your beloved?
As I said, you just needed to trust the wisdom of the Jedi :D. And in general, look at how Palpatine treated his former apprentice: He simply told Anakin to kill him, and Anakin obeyed like a puppet. And regarding Tatooine, I disagree with you because the Council refused to train him as a Jedi, not to take him away from Tatooine. P.S. Did you put your old avatar back?:D.
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