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#154
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Lu4ik, there are absolutely no complaints against you, and there never will be! I have a lot of respect for you and appreciate everything you do.
There are no restrictions; any forum user has the right to participate in the tournament!
I think we can get together, discuss it, and get started.

Lu4ik, good people can always come to an agreement, especially you and me.

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#155
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And can someone explain to me why this year's tournament didn't even show any signs of life until forum users started inquiring about its fate?
This is a classic question about "the role of the individual in history."
AlexeyPank left the portal, VDV Forever was very busy and was away, and Alan also significantly reduced his activity on HW some time ago (and, as I think, not only due to lack of time).

2Qwerty
Soon! Very soon! In March! an offline tournament "Training before the online tournament" will take place, a unique and very interestingly conceived project.
A speed tournament, the exact dates and other details will be announced later.
The question, the answer to which dismisses many disputes and discussions and demonstrates your position: will the announced tournament be part of
VK-2008 or not?

P.S. If we had titles, like on the Portal, then Luchik should be awarded the title of elven princess - peacemaker, in addition to the mandatory titles of clever and beautiful.
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Guys, ask me anything, but I am also AGAINST the "Open LZM Championship" (Qwerty, please understand me correctly... if you want, we can discuss it in private messages). I think this is wrong... unfortunately... I believe that LZM was created for something else... First, second - even if it's an open championship, LZM still implies the participation of CLANS, and solo players persistently don't fit in...
Once again, please forgive me if my opinion doesn't match someone else's and they expected something different from me....
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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#157
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If there's a need for organizers for 3v3 or 4v4 matches, I think I could take on that role. I'd be happy to help. The King's Bounty tournament was very interesting to watch.
Просто еще один
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#158
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Qwerty;153053
1. Lu4ik, there are absolutely no complaints about you, and there never will be! I have a lot of affection for you and I know and appreciate what you do!

2. Not to mention how a member of a clan that is part of the LZMС writes, "LZMС - what is that?".
1. Then who are the complaints directed at?? :eek:
2. He could have figured out that I know what LZMС is. I just think that this organization should be shut down. :smile08: A member of a clan that is part of the LZMС may have an opinion different from others; that's how it is.

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I reread the thread. Posts #122 and #152 seemed particularly insightful to me. Despite the difficult relationship with the author of these posts – Fireball – I would like to note that if post #122 had been read carefully, there would have been no conflict at all. And regarding post #152, it is still not too late to think and draw conclusions. Thank you to everyone who supported me. During consultations, it was decided that there would be no connection between the League of Zone Masters and the Van Cunningham Tournament in 2008. I am glad that there were people willing to engage in dialogue, during which certain points that allow for different interpretations were clarified. At the same time, I was surprised to learn that some people, whom I sincerely considered comrades, do not want to engage in dialogue, let alone make direct negative statements. Well, I, like many of my fellow players, am not used to the fact that, for understandable reasons, some people may make harsh statements, and sometimes even unfounded accusations. I would like to reiterate that I invited people to a constructive dialogue, for example, in a private chat on any platform, but not everyone responded. I am ready to start discussing possible cooperation. I think it would be good to create a Tournament Regulations document, which would outline the rules and approximate deadlines. In addition, a Chief Judge (or Organizer) of the tournament would probably be helpful. Perhaps a judging committee could also be created, consisting of judges from each stage of the tournament, plus maybe 2-3 more people. I understand that emotions have not been cancelled, especially since Letov passed away. However, it is necessary to realize that we are doing a common thing. A crack has appeared, but it is within our power to prevent a Schism and instead move towards development and consolidation. I hope for understanding. Maybe in vain.

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I am ready to start discussing possible collaboration. I think it would be good to create a Tournament Regulations document, outlining the rules and approximate timelines.
The stages of the World Cup are also independent tournaments, and their regulations are derived from the regulations of the tournaments for these specific games. The only remaining question is how to determine the overall winner. Remembering the experience of last year's disputes, I think it is best to stick with AlexeyPank's system. The approximate timelines have already been determined and clearly depend on the desire to complete everything before the World Cup. But, of course, all of this can be officially formalized.
In addition, it would probably be helpful to have a Chief Judge (or Organizer) for the tournament. Perhaps a judging committee could be created, consisting of judges from each stage of the tournament, plus maybe 2-3 more people.
VDV Forever, Adelaide, and the stage organizers – we just need to determine the organizer for the 5-player and 2-player events (Adelaide or someone else from the leading players). That would be the judging committee. Of course, all of this should be coordinated personally to avoid misunderstandings. The committee, if it deems necessary, can elect the Chief Judge itself.
During the consultations, it was decided that there would be no connection between the LMS and the Van Canningham Memorial Tournament in 2008. I am glad that there were people willing to engage in dialogue, during which certain points that allow for different interpretations were clarified.
I can understand you as a person who cares about the fate and position of the LMS, but this organization does not evoke much sympathy among most forum users, unlike the World Cup tournament. This fact needs to be accepted. What the reasons are and how justified they are is a separate conversation. Therefore, the reasons why the idea of the LMS overseeing the tournament caused a lot of negative emotions are understandable, especially since it is not really its area of expertise. But this does not mean that the LMS should not interact with the tournament. Why not have the League organize a proper clan competition? What is the point of individual clan wars if, in addition to the overall clan rating, you can, for example, take the 3 best results for each clan and determine the winning clan for the stage with cups and official recognition. By summing up the results of 10 stages, we get the winner of the World Cup in the clan competition. A separate Pilots Championship, a separate Constructors Cup. Isn't that within the scope of the LMS? Encourage clans (and therefore players) to play all the games and not just with one representative, but not to sort out who lowered whose rating. Yes, fighting against rudeness is a necessary thing, but perhaps if clans have more things to do in tournaments and more objective indicators, there will be fewer disputes.
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#162
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It seems the time has come to end this whole conflict!

Everyone who wanted to has already expressed their opinions, some here, some personally...
Therefore, I suggest we consider the conflict resolved and close the discussion thread!

Right now, the main thing is that the Van Kannegem Tournament has already begun!
The first stage is underway, thanks to the efforts of Kamikaze!
So let's discuss everything related to the tournament instead.
Although it might be a bit late, it's better now while the tournament has just started!

In general, Fireball wrote everything correctly in his post.

The most important question right now: finally decide with the organizers of each stage, who will run which one.

I completely agree about the judging committee: it should include the organizers of each stage + possibly coordinators (if they agree to this). They should also decide who will be the Main Organizer.

Regarding the regulations: I also support Fireball – it’s impossible to create a single regulation for all parts; each stage should have its own! However, common points should be highlighted.
We still need to discuss deadlines! If everyone agrees with the ones Ley outlined here, then we should simply officially accept them.

That's basically it!

All subsequent posts not related to discussing the organization and rules of the tournament will be mercilessly deleted!

Sincerely, Luchik!


"Как это странно всегда..
Вроде бы взрослые люди,
А в голове ерунда..
Мечтаем как дети о чуде.."
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#163
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Well... I'll chime in :)
Lou, in my humble opinion, the word "conflict" is too strong. Qwerty simply expressed his position, explaining why he finds out about the community's desire for him, as the official organizer of the Heroes II tournament, almost last. And I agree with him on this. However, he expressed himself a bit strangely, strangely for him (since he is a perfectly reasonable person), and this led to a misunderstanding.

Qwerty, I'll say this: most people are hoping for you to be the organizer of the "John Van Caneghem Tournament for Heroes II," so what do you say? :)

I'll take on the organization of the 3rd part specifically, but I'll also discuss the details with one person - SandroXXL, because his desire to prevent the tournament from "fading away" is commendable, and it's much easier to come up with ideas together ;)

The role of the LZMС committee is significant in a slightly different direction than organizing the Heroes II tournament. The forum users have long formed a clear opinion about "what a tournament is," so let it be that way. It's not a big deal :)

Now, regarding the deadlines...

In short, it's not worth focusing so much on this, since each organizer of the Heroes II tournament will run the tournament as they see fit. I just outlined approximate deadlines that only suit me. If this also suits someone else, that's great! - I will only be happy.
In general, the idea is simple - it's not worth setting any restrictions on the deadlines for this event, but it's also not worth forgetting about it ;)
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
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#164
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I suggest Lord Vampire as the organizer for the 5th and 10th stages of the ВК tournament (I'm sure that if he has the time, he will agree without any hysterical outbursts). Unfortunately, I can only participate as a player in the offline events. Regarding the judging committee, in my opinion, the organizers of all stages are sufficient. We can invite VDV from the coordinators if he agrees. The committee can choose the chairman (honestly, I don't see the need for this) through a vote.
Right now, it's important for Qwerty to make a decision, as the second stage is approaching, and organization also takes time. Therefore, I wouldn't want everything to be decided at the last moment, which could negatively affect the organization, and even worse, disrupt the schedule (the schedule is the same as in 2007, so that the 10th stage ends before the start of World of Warcraft).
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#165
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Draft for the Tournament Regulations project.

Regulations for the Van Canningham Memorial Tournament - 2008.
1. The purpose of the tournament is to provide an opportunity for fans of various versions of Heroes to fulfill their desires within the HeroesWorld.
2. Tournament objectives:
-) Popularizing various versions of Heroes;
-) Attracting new users to HeroesWorld;
-) Expanding users' interests to other versions of Heroes;
-) Creating a favorable microclimate and strengthening ties between users;
-) Enhancing the image of HeroesWorld.

Tournament Regulations.
1. The tournament will be held in 10 stages.
Stages 1, 6 - Heroes 1;
Stages 2, 7 - Heroes 2;
Stages 3, 8 - Heroes 3;
Stages 4, 9 - Heroes 4;
Stages 5, 10 - Heroes 5.
2. Preliminary schedule:


3. The tournament will be held as a speedrun.
Criteria:
-) completion time;
-) sum of the hero's parameters, INCLUDING WORN ARTIFACTS;
-) amount of mercury.

Organizing Committee.
VDV_forever, Kamikaze, Qwerty, Ley, Lu4ik, Lord Vampire, Fireball (we'll add more).

Colleagues, this is just a draft; it needs to be completed and revised.

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1. The Tournament is held in 10 stages.
Stages 1 and 6 - Heroes 1;
Stages 2 and 7 - Heroes 2;
Stages 3 and 8 - Heroes 3;
Stages 4 and 9 - Heroes 4;
Stages 5 and 10 - Heroes 5.
Perhaps it would be worth establishing that
The first round is the "Sword Round," where preference is given to playing as the Warrior Castle.
The second round is the "Magic Round," where preference is given to playing as the Magic Castle.
This would be more interesting, as I think.
3. The Tournament is held based on the speed of completion.
Criteria:
-) completion time;
-) the sum of the hero's parameters, INCLUDING the equipped artifacts;
-) the amount of mercury.
Perhaps the last two points are unnecessary, as they limit the types of possible maps and tournament tasks. But the first point is definitely relevant for better convergence of the rating according to the AlexeyPank system.
It is necessary to highlight the point about "Awarding prize points." In short, I suggest simply reworking and supplementing the very first post in this thread.
Organizing committee.
VDV_forever, Kamikaze, Qwerty, Ley, Lu4ik, Lord Vampire, Fireball (we add).
I am, of course, flattered by your opinion, but there are no objective reasons to include anyone other than the organizers and representatives of the administration in the organizing committee. Unless a decision is made that the committee should include a representative "from the players," chosen from among last year's winners. But I'm not sure if this is really necessary.
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Fireball;154628

I am, of course, flattered by your opinion, but there are no objective reasons to include anyone other than the organizers and representatives of the administration in the organizing committee. Unless a decision is made that the committee should include a representative "from the players," chosen from among last year's winners. But I'm not sure that this is really necessary.

And here, perhaps, several questions arise regarding the topic at hand:
what objective reasons are needed to include someone in the organizing committee, other than the availability of the committee members' personal time? Qwerty mentioned the nicknames of two respected forum members who do not have the authority to moderate, but nevertheless, it doesn't seem right to act this way.
If we talk about the 5th installment of Heroes, most forum members will say that Lord runs the Tournaments at a high level, everything is done promptly and professionally. So, if we don't consider his candidacy as one of the organizers of the World Championship, a rather simple question arises: "Who will be able to organize the 5th and 10th stages?" Taking into account the workload of our moderators, in addition to each of their "own" stages, I don't think anyone will take on this task "overtime." And now I will address the question directly to you, Fireball:
should your post be considered as a categorical disagreement with being one of the organizers of the World Championship?
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
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If we talk about the 5th installment of Heroes, most forum users will say that Lord organizes the Tournaments at a high level, everything is done promptly and professionally. So, if we don't consider his candidacy as one of the organizers of the Grand Tournament, a rather simple question will arise: "Who will be able to implement the 5th and 10th stages?" Considering the workload of our moderators, I don't think anyone will take on this task "overtime" in addition to their own stage.
Lord Vampire is the official host for the 5th installment, and his candidacy for the role of organizer of the 5th and 10th stages of the Grand Tournament is being considered first. I hope he doesn't refuse (by the way, has he been contacted?), because the number of participants in his last Tournament speaks for itself. And the lack of a moderator position does not prevent the organization of the Tournament.
And now I will address the question directly to you, Fireball:
should your post be considered as a categorical disagreement to be one of the organizers of the Grand Tournament?
I don't aspire to be an organizer, but, for example, if any stage is threatened with disruption (as was the case with the 9th stage in 2007) or if the host has some other problems, I will help in any way I can, up to and including organizing the stage itself. Therefore, it cannot be said that there is a categorical disagreement, because this Tournament, in my opinion, is very important for the portal.
The 2008 Grand Tournament must take place and be held at a high level.
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I communicated with Lord Vampire via ICQ, and he agreed to be the organizer for stages 5 and 10. It seems he simply didn't have the opportunity to check the forum, but I will ask him to post here.
So, I think the issue with organizers for each stage is resolved.