ABSOLUTE LEADER – who is he??? — Tournament history (offline)

K0Lb@zzeR

2/7/2008 7:04 AM UTC

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Good day to all participants, both current and future, of the "Race for the Leader" tournament. Not much time remains until the end of mini-tournament 1-4, and therefore, the first stage of the "Race for the Leader" tournament. In this regard, we need to determine the following: WHO is the ABSOLUTE LEADER? Therefore, I propose that we have a discussion on this topic in this thread. I have a couple of ideas on how to determine the Absolute Leader, but I would like to hear your suggestions; perhaps they will be more successful than mine. I will not express my suggestions yet. But I will state one argument, which, for quite understandable reasons (which do not require explanation), can be taken as an axiom: ONLY one of the LEADERS of any stage of the "Race for the Leader" tournament can become the ABSOLUTE LEADER. When discussing, please also consider the fact that let's not infringe on the rights of both newcomers and already experienced participants of the tournament. Well, you can now express and discuss ideas on this topic. Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.

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Vanechka

2/7/2008 7:46 AM UTC

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the one who has won the most first places in the stages; if there's a tie, then second places; then third places...
newcomers are irrelevant – the absolute leader is competing with everyone (or almost everyone) in all the stages, and, with all due respect to the newcomers, this should play a significant role...

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K0Lb@zzeR

2/7/2008 7:52 AM UTC

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Vanechka;149658

the one who has won the most first places in the stages; if it's a tie, then second places; third places...
newcomers are irrelevant - the absolute leader is competing with everyone (or almost everyone) in all the stages, and, with all due respect to the newcomers, this should play a significant role...

Not a bad suggestion, but there's one BUT: If you win 4 stages in a row, what's the point of anyone playing the remaining 3 stages, as the AL (Absolute Leader) is already determined. Although the probability of this happening is low, it exists.

Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.

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:smile16: ~~"Быстрая смерть" - "Fast Death"~~ :smile16:

Vanechka

2/7/2008 7:58 AM UTC

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although... don't take it too seriously, but it seems like this question should have been asked before stage 1-1....

after four consecutive stages - yes, there is a possibility, but then this is what defines a leader, according to my suggestion. But, again, these are just details... We should eventually come to a discussion about a new ("special") ranking system. Don't you think?

Kamikaze

2/7/2008 8:14 AM UTC

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I disagree with the "axiom" because, for example, a player has taken 2nd place 3 times, 3rd place 2 times, and 4th place 2 times. It's almost certain that they will have the highest total score across all stages. And they won't be able to contend for first place??? :confused:

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K0Lb@zzeR

2/7/2008 8:20 AM UTC

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although... don't take it too seriously, but it seems like this question should have been asked before stage 1-1...

after four stages in a row - yes, there is a possibility, but then this is a leader, according to my proposal. But, again, these are just details... It just seems like we should eventually come to a discussion about a new ("special") ranking system. Don't you think?

Well, I'm not suggesting discussing the ranking system that is used in the tournament, as I'm not going to change it, but we need to discuss how to determine the ALL.

Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.

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:smile16: ~~"Быстрая смерть" - "Fast Death"~~ :smile16:

Ley

2/7/2008 8:22 AM UTC

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Well, let's just consider this: why would Kolbazer put his own rating system into practice? It's logical to assume that the overall score of this tournament should determine the AL...

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Vanechka

2/7/2008 8:47 AM UTC

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I disagree with the "axiom" because, let's say, someone took 2nd place three times, 3rd place twice, and 4th place twice. It's almost 100% certain that they will be higher than everyone else in the total sum of all stages. And they won't be able to claim the top spot??? :confused:

But how? Let's say you showed such a result - three 2nd places, one 3rd place, and so on. And Vasya Pupkin played twice and took first place, not second. He'll tell you: what kind of leader are you if I beat you twice?

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You could calculate it like in Formula 1, where first place is worth a certain number of fixed points, second place is worth another, and so on. But, I guess, since there's already a rating for the race, you should focus on that, it's the fourth stage after all...

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Dirty_Player

2/7/2008 1:52 PM UTC

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In the tournament topic, I suggested the following option!

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5) In total, there will be 7 results across all stages. You can take an average of the 6 or 5 best results, or simply add them up to determine the absolute leader! For example: 1000, 700, 850, 930, 1000, 740, 880. Sum=1000+850+930+1000+880=4660, and so on for each participant. This will keep the hope alive until the last stage and also compensate for a missed or poorly played stage!

I personally believe this option is the most correct! This system is used in various Competitive events, in various sports, where a stage-based scoring system is provided. The N best stages are taken out of 7 (in this case) possible! In each stage, points are awarded (in this case, according to the formula), and then the N best are simply summed up! And most importantly, if a participant showed the best result in these N stages, then it is not at all necessary for him to participate in the rest; he becomes the Absolute Leader rightfully and deservedly!

Sincerely, Dirty_Player.

Nimizida

2/7/2008 3:34 PM UTC

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I don't understand why you're so worried. In my opinion, the player with the higher total rating should be considered the leader. If you don't play well, you won't be in contention for first place, IMHO.

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K0Lb@zzeR

2/8/2008 1:32 AM UTC

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Nimizida;149813

I don't understand why you're so worried. In my opinion, the one with the higher total rating should be the leader. If you play poorly, you won't be in contention for first place, IMHO.

But how do you account for the fact that, for example, Vasya_Pupkin comes to the portal and participates in a tournament, winning the last two stages, while almost always achieving the best result in mini-tournaments throughout the last two stages. I think that according to your system, he simply won't become a top player; he just won't have enough total points, hence the conclusion that the total score is detrimental to new and promising players.

Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.

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Деконтаминатор

2/12/2008 6:46 AM UTC

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How do you account for the fact that, for example, Vasya_Pupkin comes to the portal and participates in a tournament, winning the last 2 stages, while almost always showing the best result in mini-tournaments throughout both of the last stages. I think that according to your system, he simply won't become a Top Player; he will simply not have enough total points, hence the conclusion that the total score is bad for new and promising players.

Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.

IMHO. In Russia, if you don't become a Hero of the Soviet Union, you can become a Hero of Russia. That is, if we continue to exaggerate, we need to give awards to promising newcomers for all previous tournaments.
I apologize for the ironic tone. In fact, I respect other people's points of view.

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K0Lb@zzeR

4/2/2008 8:24 AM UTC

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Good day to all.

Thanks to the respected vbn for his proposed rating calculation system, I have decided how the ABSOLUTE LEADER of the tournament will be determined.

Here, I will suggest a similar formula for calculating:

R = (R_1 + R_2 + ... + R_i) / i * K_i,

where i is the number of games in which the player participated;
K_i = {0.7, 0.8, 0.9, 1.0} or {0.55, 0.70, 0.85, 1.00} - a bonus-reduction coefficient (the more games, the fewer points are reduced)

After the tournament, the LEADERS of the tournament will be determined, and then the results of these LEADERS for each stage will be taken and calculated using the vbn system, with the following coefficients:
K_i = {0.250, 0.375, 0.500, 0.625, 0.750, 0.875, 1.000}

Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.