Posts from Mafia 107. Fever and Overdose Auto-translated

I think you're missing a point that has already been made. The Mafia doesn't need to put on a show, lead people down false trails, and so on. There is no trail at the moment. There simply isn't one. And the lack of votes speaks to this. They can kill without leaving any evidence, and there's nothing that can be done about it. The Mafia has an advantage, and there's no need for them to take risks, expose themselves, or come up with something during the day. The town is defensively losing in the long run anyway. Isn't this obvious?

*I don't understand. With this scheme, there's a good chance that only your Mafia role will be eliminated, Lock, because why would they start suspecting a Master when he's being quiet? That's not typical of him.
Not to mention that there's no point in playing as Mafia to barely win, thanks to your own passivity and the town's passivity. Everyone traditionally wants a beautiful victory.

Well, it's a hopeless situation. If you act normally, it's "too much talk," "you're confusing the town." If you act like Freud (I wonder what kind of discussion would be going on in the thread in that case), it's "somehow passive," "not typical," "suspicious."

What was wrong with Lizard's rhetoric?

A good mafia player doesn't lie directly; they offer plausible versions but leave themselves loopholes to later carry out subtle manipulations when the opportunity arises. Or right now.
That is, for example, a consistent attack on Nebka could also be such a manipulation, as he is not yet 100% negative, although he is likely to be. Here is one of (many) (not necessarily correct, but why not) hypotheses: tomorrow we will not see the father's murder in the newspaper, and you know this, so you can say "Well, okay, there is no better candidate for execution, let's go, guys, this is our chance."
Or maybe Nebo is really negative, but is he the killer?

Ultimately, are you for skipping the day or for executing someone based on suspicion?

Master seemed suspicious to me from the first day, considering the mentioned scheme about one or two active mafia members, which he could fit into (in principle, any player who participates in the game, rather than sitting silently, is obviously exposing themselves, and then you can analyze what exactly they are saying), and based on his reasoning about staying quiet and not using his special ability. But upon further consideration, this theory didn't seem like a 100% shot in the dark, and many of his current arguments coincide with my thoughts. More likely peaceful than mafia. You seem to be missing a point that has already been made. The mafia has no need to put on a show, lead people down false trails, and so on. There is no trail at the moment. Just none. And the lack of votes speaks to this. Their role kills without leaving any clues, and there's nothing that can be done about it. The mafia has an advantage, and there's no need for them to expose themselves, get caught, or come up with something during the day. The town will not win defensively in the long run anyway. Isn't this obvious?

Well, in general, even without any information, you haven't been very active, and I remember that you don't like playing Mafia.

In short, if the Master doesn't change his mind, then neither will I.

Okay, let's reason it out from this perspective. Let's say I'm Mafia. How would I know that Heaven is the Serial Killer? How can I possibly know? If Heaven turns out to be a Town member, why would I put myself in such a vulnerable position as Mafia? Hmm?

Yeah, you can't know for sure, that's true.
If he's Town, that's even better. I've already suggested that you're the Godfather. Even if you're not, the Mafia is clearly doing well after that, only someone gets executed on the fourth night, and if you are the Godfather, it's on the fifth, and it's not that difficult to defend yourself at night (the Godfather does it automatically). But the Serial Killer might mess things up if he's not Town.

I'm not changing my mind. You're pushing things where it's not needed. Right now, it's just unnecessary.

I propose hypothesis 0: Master, Nefeela, Lynx/Gumer/Revan (pick 2).

Isn't it obvious? The problem is this: if the mafia insists on not letting the town get any clues, then we need to take matters into our own hands and create those clues ourselves. The Master has made it clear that he doesn't intend to do that. You're willing to execute Mental, but who else? Well, let's say I am. No one else has spoken up, and there's no advantage to be gained by targeting the Master. What other candidates were suggested, the inactive ones? But the Master doesn't even want to execute them; he doesn't want to execute anyone, and that goes against what I want. Is it acceptable for a player who ruined today's discussion with his posts to skip a day? In my opinion, it's not, and that's why I'm executing him now, not just for being active, as some people seem to think. In short, if the Master doesn't change his mind, neither will I. If you think executing the Master is just for show, we'll see. Either way, the town will get information from the execution. If he continues to stall and hesitate, he'll just end up with another corpse without any clues for the next night.