Mafia 107. Fever and Overdose — Mafia

Registered: 10/30/2009

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#153 10/21/2020 7:28 AM UTC

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Based on his behavior and reasoning about immunities, it seems a bit strange to me. Yesterday, it seemed like it was an insight from the Mafia chat (not used during the night, as the Father still killed, but it was a good reason to discuss it during the day). The fact that Loken started to join in on this today, in a somewhat inconsistent way, is also suspicious, of course.
But Loken said he doesn't want to play as Mafia, that he's only being active for the first time in a long time, has he changed his mind?
And in general, according to my plan, Master is pushing his reasoning about immunities, and all the Mafia are saying, "No, no, it's definitely the Father who killed everyone at night, who benefits from it, if not him?" And yesterday it seemed that way, but today Loken is acting differently – I don't understand. In general, I don't know about Loken yet.
But yesterday, among those who claimed that the Father killed at night because it was the most beneficial, I see at least one Mafia member. Because it's not possible that so many people joined this topic, not to defend themselves (but because they really want to discuss it).
It's pointless to talk about Man right now, as he doesn't have any specific information, and he hasn't killed anyone yet, and the situation is unclear – it's easy for him to blend in as a Town member. But it would be good if Nebok was the one.
Between Ment and Loken, I want to eliminate Ment more. But if you really convince me, I can vote for Loken...
But I wouldn't risk it with Yashchur if you're leading towards him.
The fragment is encouraging so far. Have you already gathered information during the nights, or what?

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Show me, why do you think it was the Father who killed Vishmaster-Waifu, and not the Serial Killer who killed Vishmaster-Reaper?

Where is the evidence, Crabbi? Where is the evidence?

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#154 10/21/2020 7:31 AM UTC

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So, go ahead and execute me, and who will save you then, huh?

Come on then. Take a sit and have a drink. We can watch life pass on by.

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#155 10/21/2020 7:40 AM UTC

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So, they'll just mod you and who will save us then...?

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#156 10/21/2020 8:07 AM UTC

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Crabby

There is very little information in the newspaper (

Explain why you decided that this is the father of the Vishmaster-Waifu killer, and not that a maniac killed the Vishmaster-Reaper?

Also, I didn't understand the accusation that "doesn't write" = "mafia".

It sounds unconvincing, and in my experience, the mafia writes the most.

Personally, I suspect Ment, Master, and Morning, but I can't say anything concrete yet; maybe I just don't like the letter M.

Well, the newspaper clearly hints at a beating. And for a maniac to kill a Reaper with 2 defenses in 2 nights, a lot of stars would have to align. Where did you get such assumptions, and what was the purpose of this statement?

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Ment

Based on the reasoning about immunities, it's not very convincing in my opinion.

I don't know how you want to identify the mafia, or if you even want to.

But for me, given the almost complete lack of information, one of the few options is to try to analyze the possible actions of the mafia. I have a rough understanding of how I would act if I were a member of the mafia. Based on this, I try to understand the reason why the mafia acted in this way. This may provide some information. Also, the reaction to my reasoning may provide some information.

Of course, you can write one meaningless post per day or ramble in the thread, why not? This is a time-tested scheme that helps the town reach a state where a good maniac is the only hope).

But I prefer to get as much information as possible from what is available.

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#157 10/21/2020 8:34 AM UTC

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Crabby

Can you explain why you think it was the father of the Vishmaster-Waifu who killed Vishmaster-Reaper, and not just a maniac?

And why do you think the Reaper was killed? And where are the two mafia killings in that case?

MasteR

I would execute Yaschur or Nefelu.

So, you write, you try, you try to think, and they still think badly of you and want to execute you along with all sorts of Yaschurs.

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#158 10/21/2020 8:42 AM UTC

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But for me, given the almost complete lack of information right now, one of the only options is to try to analyze the possible actions of the Mafia.

Okay, and what has that given us, right now? This information is not only extremely psychologically inaccurate, because it's much more believable that the Mafia will simply use the "faceless father" role and ignore the "maniac" role, regardless of the immunities (because it's not a given that he will even go to kill in the first night, and if he really does go to kill as Mafia, well, who besides you will even remember such a possibility? People are playing for fun here, no one will plan the moves of other players in the first night anyway. If I'm wrong about anyone, correct me).
So, not only is it psychologically inaccurate, but the number of immunities is also high, as is the opposite situation. So, this is either a setup for some future event, or a hope that someone will come and add another portion of inaccurate reasoning? Lock came and said, well, there are inactive players.
Okay, the practical benefit of this is that if Gumera isn't modkilled, then we can think about executing him, probably.) But somehow, my paranoid vision wants to see a cunning Mafia plan in this, or at least a probing of the Mafia strategy.
P.S. All of the above could have or could not have been born after a dose of morning coffee. I'm not used to coffee yet, it makes me feel sick. A nasty drink.

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#159 10/21/2020 9:12 AM UTC

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Ment

We have people here who play for fun; no one will plan other players' moves on the first night.

You're right that this is primarily my perspective, and it's not a given that others will think the same way. However, I still find it hard to believe that all four Mafia players are just playing for fun and aren't particularly concerned about other players' moves. It's very unlikely that the draw could have resulted in all four Mafia players being inactive, or that all four signed up for the game just to fill spots and are now simply "having fun." The presence of a hypothetical Yashur on the team would already indicate that there will be such concerns.

And yes, it's better to get a reaction to "incorrect psychology" than to get nothing at all.

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#160 10/21/2020 9:23 AM UTC

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To be honest, I don't see much point in delving into detailed analysis. There's no concrete evidence. Yes, there are inactive players, and perhaps some of them are Mafia. But it's also possible that they aren't. The game is slightly overcrowded right now (if that's a criticism of Tox, I don't mean it that way). There aren't many players, and most people joined just for fun, so it's unlikely that anyone has the energy to pull off elaborate schemes.
Everyone seems suspicious, including Nebok :/
Should we execute inactive players? That used to be a common practice. Crabbi and Gumer have already left.
Is there any way to hear from Freud again?

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#161 10/21/2020 9:24 AM UTC

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Friends, I understand that you want to punish someone, but there isn't much information available yet. I suggest we calmly wait another night.

Come on then. Take a sit and have a drink. We can watch life pass on by.

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#162 10/21/2020 9:25 AM UTC

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Ment

P.S. Everything mentioned above may or may not have come about after a cup of morning coffee. I'm not used to coffee yet; it makes me feel unwell. A nasty drink.

So, is it worse than hawthorn berry juice?

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#163 10/21/2020 9:28 AM UTC

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Nephela

So, you write, you try hard, you try to think, but they still think badly of you and want to execute you along with all sorts of Lizardmen.

There's nothing personal here. It's just that those who pretend to be active but overlook obvious things raise suspicions.

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#164 10/21/2020 9:31 AM UTC

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You are right that this is primarily my vision, and it is not a given that others will think the same way. However, I still find it hard to believe that all 4 mafia players are just playing for fun and aren't particularly concerned about the moves of others. It is very unlikely that the draw could have resulted in all 4 mafia players being inactive, or that all four signed up for the game just to fill in the gaps and are now simply "having fun." The presence of a hypothetical Yashur on the team would already indicate that there will be such concerns.

This thought seems more objective to me. That is, the presence or absence of such concerns is an indicator of who to look for or not look for in the mafia team, along with reasoning about immunities.
And it should be checked like this:
if a defensive strategy is detected instead of killing the father, then we look at what the immunities are and the players who are serious in terms of potential strategies; otherwise, nothing is known yet.
Or
if a player with the desired mindset is actually found in the mafia, then we look at the correspondence between immunities and the chosen strategy; otherwise, nothing is known yet.

Correct me if I'm wrong.