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Who will delete the rest of the dead inter-clan topics?!

The moderators of the inter-clan section are there for that. All Clan Leaders have the rights... They are usually wise people, and if there is even a small chance, they won't delete the topic.

Dear Clan Representatives,

The Clan Ranking on our portal has been updated; I invite everyone to review it and consider the current situation (I especially ask clan leaders to think about it).

Sincerely.

once again – this proves how many unnecessary clans have been created.

once again, this proves how many unnecessary clans have been created=);));)

This doesn't prove anything. In Kanigame, for example, anyone can participate without being in a clan. However, if the ranking was based on inter-clan tournaments, not just taking a regular tournament and calculating who is better based on it, but specifically when two clans (or more) agree to hold a separate tournament between themselves... that would be a different conversation. Are there any threads with such proposals, or are there simply none? If the latter is true, then I apologize, but please stop posting nonsense here....

If there was a rating based on inter-clan tournaments, not just taking a regular tournament and calculating who is better, but specifically when two clans (or more) agree to hold a separate tournament between themselves... that would be a different story. Are there any threads with such proposals, or are there simply none? If the latter, then I apologize, but please stop posting nonsense here....

Of course, the lack of clan battles is a huge oversight for all clans without exception.

This doesn't prove anything; in Kanigame, for example, anyone can participate, even without a clan.

But here you are absolutely wrong. The people who earned victories and rating points in individual and clan tournaments will show a result. Or do you think that the strength of the players in a clan and the strength of the clan itself are not related?

You are absolutely wrong here. The players who earned victories and rating points in individual and clan tournaments will show results. Or do you think that the strength of the clan's players and the clan itself are not related?

I'm not talking about that; I'm not questioning the strength of the players, I'm talking about something completely different. Such tournaments show the strength of the player, not the clan...

The strength of a clan is not only in the number of strong players... It's a pity that there is no practice of paired games, i.e., when, for example, 4 people participate, pair against pair... that would be a team game, showing the strength of the clan....
Well, that's just a digression.

The strength of a clan isn't just in the number of strong players... It's a shame that there's no practice for paired games, i.e., when, for example, 4 people participate, two against two... that would be a team game, showing the strength of the clan....
But that's just a side note.

We tried... it doesn't work - it takes too long :( There was an attempt to hold a similar tournament between Yan-lo-van and Iz mnogikh edinoye.... The attempt failed - it's difficult to gather 4 people online and even harder to finish the game.... Therefore, nothing better than this kind of "team" rating has been invented yet.

We tried... it doesn't work – it takes too long :( There was an attempt to hold a similar tournament between Yan-lo-van and Iz mnogih edinoye.... The attempt failed – it's difficult to gather 4 people online and even harder to finish the game.... Therefore, nothing better than this kind of "team" rating has been invented yet.

Tanya, they just didn't want to...
honestly, I've already organized games with four and even six people, but you just need to approach it responsibly, but this is just my opinion...
sorry for the off-topic - I really want to play 2 vs 2 or even 2x2x2...
it doesn't even matter who wins, the fact that we're playing is the main thing :):):)
This is really a team game. And if the turn limit is 1 minute, all problems are solved.... I was just playing with a guy, and each turn took 10/15 minutes, we were faster when we were playing with six people... so it all comes down to desire....

I won’t argue that the lack of clan online competitions is a downside, but as has already been pointed out, it’s problematic for players to gather at the same time and find that time to spend on the game. Nevertheless, things aren’t as neglected as they might seem: unofficial friendly matches between clan players are regularly held (unfortunately, usually 1*1), and within the "Seasons" tournament, there is a clan tally between Homo-Homini and Yan-Lo-Wang. I agree it’s not much, but it’s better than nothing.
BUT, the clan ranking presented by the esteemed Kyle is based on the results of official OFF-line tournaments. IMHO (though I think most will agree with me), organizing inter-clan off-line events is a perversion. Firstly, you also need to approach the organization responsibly, choose a multi-variant map, refine it; secondly... hmm... it would simply be a "monkey’s labor," because the site already has a fairly packed schedule of official off-line tournaments, whose quality organization can already be relied upon.
Summarizing all of the above, I can say that the ranking presented by Kyle is quite objective, only I would have called it something slightly different, something like "2007 clan ranking by off-line tournaments," and most importantly: based on this ranking, it is still possible (and necessary!!!!) to draw conclusions about the state of the clan community on HeroesWorld.
It’s another matter that a clan’s activity should be judged not only by activity in off-line tournaments, but they are an important component of this resource, so it’s logical for clans registered here to take part, at least a little, within their capabilities, in off-line tournaments. Or at least in some tournaments at all... or simply challenge another clan to a duel... or at least just play with someone from the forum... or make a good new map for Heroes. In short, there are many opportunities for realizing and demonstrating activity on the forum; you need to do something rather than engage in "flooding" (may the moderators of this section forgive me for the rudeness), and then no one will raise the question that your clan should be disbanded because it is "dead."

Yeah... of course, in this thread, every post contains a certain amount of good and quite logical thoughts (some have more, some have less, but that's not the point). As a person who has been here for a while (although, judging by the number of posts under my name, the opposite could be said :)), I can say the following: you will continue to argue about this eternal topic.
Until you figure it out here and come to certain criteria by which you can judge whether a Clan is active or dead. And this is not as easy as it might seem at first glance.
Below, I will provide facts and arguments that will help you determine these criteria.

A Clan is a group of like-minded people!

Yes, that's true. These are people who have a lot in common (views, mindset, goals, etc.), that is, they are united by some ideology. You can also add that a Clan is a group of fans of something, promoting and adhering to a certain ideology.

Therefore, at the moment, it would be much more effective if the accepted changes clearly reflected the equality of all Clans in relation to the new features, so that everyone has an equal chance to prove themselves, and challenging them would mean admitting that they are "dead."

In any system (whether it is a state or some physical/chemical phenomenon), there are its own rules and laws. In some cases, they are axioms; in others, they are written and enforced by society itself (the mechanism for adopting laws varies everywhere, depending on the structure of the community).

The Clan Rating on our portal has been updated; I invite everyone to familiarize themselves with it and think about the current situation (especially I ask the Clan leaders to think about it).

This rating shows only the official side of individual participants in tournaments, even though they are members of a Clan (or a pseudo-Clan).
And the fact that there were no participants from a particular Clan does not indicate anything, let alone the activity of the Clan. The championship is personal, not inter-Clan.

This does not prove anything; in Canigame, for example, anyone can participate, even without a Clan.
But if the rating was based on inter-Clan tournaments, not just taking an ordinary tournament and calculating who is better based on it, but specifically when two Clans (or more) agreed to hold a separate tournament between themselves... that would be a different story. Are topics with such proposals closed, or are they simply not available?

Yes, in any tournament, whether it's ONN or OFF, if 1v1 is played, it only shows the strength of a particular participant, but not the Clan as a whole.

But here you are absolutely wrong. The people who won victories and earned rating points in individual and Clan tournaments will show a result. Or do you think that the strength of the Clan's players and the Clan itself are not related?

No, they are not related. The strength of a Clan should show the strength of the unity of people in the Clan. They are related in that, even in an OFF tournament, they can "help" their Clan member. And in a tournament where several players from one Clan participate, and at the same time they compete with each other, it is still impossible to judge the real strength of the Clan as a community of like-minded people based on these results.

The strength of a Clan is not only in the number of strong players... In general, it's a pity that there is no practice of pair games, i.e., when, for example, 4 people participate, pair against pair... this is already a team game, showing the strength of the Clan....

This is exactly what shows the strength of the Clan, the strength of its unity.

In this case, the fact that there are not Clans on the forum, but simply teams (like a сборная Russia, France, etc.) is a fact. Until there are purely inter-Clan tournaments, where at least 2 people from a Clan participate, and there is no competition between Clan members. The competition should take place between Clans, and only in a Team game, then there will be real Clans. And what was said

First, you need to approach the organization responsibly, choose a multi-variant map, refine it, and secondly... hmm... it will just be a "monkey business," because there are already enough official off-line tournaments on the resource, and you can rely on their quality organization.

can be said as follows: if a person creates/joins a Clan consciously, then he should understand that he will have to defend not only personal superiority (all official tournaments, regardless of whether they are ONN or OFF), but also defend and uphold the honor of the Clan in inter-Clan tournaments (regardless of whether they are ONN or OFF). Then he will think about whether he has enough time/strength, etc., so as not to infringe on personal/Clan interests and still manage to do both. (And as always, it turns out that it is impossible to do everything, and you have to sacrifice something). Then there will be no dead Clans, and Clans will be created wisely, and people will also join them wisely. The main thing is to create a Clan atmosphere on the portal.
Thank you for your attention.

Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.

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I can add the following on my own:
A person who joins a Clan (and especially creates a Clan) must be aware of his actions; a Clan is your "second" family, to which you will have to devote/give part of yourself and your time.
At one time, I was in a Clan, although the Clan consisted of only 3 people, but nevertheless I spent a lot of time on the Clan (communication, training, tournaments, etc.). And so did everyone who was in our Clan. We had our own family. And we achieved success (at least this is also a result). In one of the city championships, our Clan took 4th place (specifically in a team game), and there were (not many, not few) 26 teams.
At the moment, I don't have the time to devote to my "second" family - my Clan. For these reasons, I do not join Clans.
As a result, Clans on the forum exist only "on paper," not in reality, although they try to consider the merits of individual people who are members of the "Clan" as the merits of the Clan. This is fundamentally wrong; these are the merits of individual people, not the Clan.
But many forum users, those who are coordinators, moderators, they already devote a lot of time to the forum, and they deserve praise and respect for this. I devote my time to what I have time for.

Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.

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And also:
The essence of the problem is that there are tournaments for personal championships... people participate in them and get a personal rating... and there are team (Clan) tournaments... Clans participate in them (or a team from a Clan, depending on the tournament quota)... and the Clan gets a rating... but if there are no team tournaments... then there are no team ratings... and in the end, what is the point of Clans (teams)???... if only personal championships are taken into account and team tournaments are not held.

Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.

P.S. I'm getting carried away with philosophy today... don't beat me too hard :)

K0Lb@zzeR: I wouldn't say "good job," but maybe after your words, they'll stop arguing and close the thread, because they were already hinting at the pointlessness of the discussion, they didn't understand us, and they've already strayed from the topic. So, wrap it up, guys. But thanks for giving us a couple of ideas about playing in pairs; we'll implement them in the clan, and they're already working on point 1.4.

I want to support Adelaide; ewgeniy; K0Lb@zzeR, I practically agree with everything they said, but I disagree with Fireball's statement that:
the lack of inter-clan battles is a shortcoming of all clans without exception
The fact is that these are the conditions and capabilities of our forum, which do not allow for the development of such battles. I don't want to say anything bad about the portal administration, but there is no limit to perfection, and everyone knows that....
Let's take offline tournaments as an example - how can a clan demonstrate its capabilities to the fullest if we have strict restrictions, for example, on discussing Tournaments? I'm not even talking about the fact that many players participate in Tournaments out of personal sporting interest, and not for the clan - although, in general, this is not the most important thing....
I believe that we have two main problems:
1. A lack of organizers to hold the necessary number of Tournaments for all parts of the game (including online and offline).
2. A technical issue - mostly related to online tournaments - why are online Tournaments held less often than offline ones? - because they are technically more difficult to organize and conduct....
although I think there are no fewer people playing online than offline... well, I don't think I need to explain anything about activity - only forum members who can play many parts of the game and have the technical skills show activity somewhere, and what can be said about people who, for example, only want to play the fifth part...? What kind of activity can they demonstrate?

Dear Clan Representatives,

I would like to say something about inter-clan battles (offline):
A proposal regarding inter-clan battles has already been made; you can read about it here.
But for now, this is still not feasible because the Grail system hasn't been implemented yet.
However, starting with the new tournament season for Heroes 3, I will try to organize such tournaments (without Grails).

Sincerely.

I want to support Adelaide; ewgeniy; K0Lb@zzeR, I practically agree with everything they said, but I disagree with Fireball regarding the following:
the lack of inter-clan battles is a shortcoming for all clans without exception
The fact is that these are the conditions and possibilities of our forum, which do not allow for the development of such battles. I don't want to say anything bad about the portal administration, but there is no limit to perfection, and everyone knows that....
Let's take offline as an example - how can a clan demonstrate its capabilities 100% if we have, for example, strict restrictions on discussing tournaments? I'm not even talking about the fact that many players participate in tournaments out of personal sporting interest, and not for the clan, although in general, this is not the most important thing....
I think that we have two main problems:
1.A lack of organizers to hold the necessary number of tournaments for all parts of the game (including online and offline).
2.A technical issue - mostly it concerns online - why are online tournaments held less often than offline ones? - because it is technically more difficult to organize and conduct them....
although I think there are no fewer people playing online than offline... well, I don't think I need to explain anything about activity... only forum members who can play many parts of the game and have the technical skills show activity somewhere, and what can be said about people who, for example, only want to play the 5th game... what activity can they show?

Yes, I noticed this from the very beginning, and that's why our clan is recruiting cartographers and organizers. We want to contribute to the development of the portal, and Kule put forward a good idea about clan battles, but regarding the rating, I argued that it might turn out that clans have different ratings, and no one will be able to challenge anyone to a duel (the one they wanted). I would remove the rating.
And there are few offline tournaments for the 5th game.

the rating reflects both the clan's activity and the individual's activity...
the clan is to blame if it has a low rating... don't recruit people who joined once, signed up, and left, or who only registered on the forum or posted a single message on the forum (and even that was in response to a request to join the clan)... if there aren't enough people who play frequently, was it even necessary to create a clan in the first place? They could have joined another clan, and that clan's activity would have increased... and regarding the leaders... if they rarely appear due to personal reasons or simply because they've lost interest in the forum and the clan, they could transfer the clan to another member... then the clan's affairs might improve, and it might become easier (to relieve the responsibility, so to speak)... with a new leader, recruitment could resume, and so on, and with that, activity and rating would increase...