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Piterius
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There's something unsettling about it. There's nothing to compare it to. It could always be worse.
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.

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I think it's something within us that signals that there's something unhealthy going on – that's the starting point you were asking about. And to better understand it and avoid falling into complete subjectivism, three criteria for understanding the truth were devised long ago: - personal experience - the opinion of a contemporary who, for valid reasons, deserves your trust (a competent person) - the memory of ancestors recorded in ancient books Think, compare, and try to figure out what is actually true.
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I think it's something within us that signals that there's something unhealthy going on – that's the reference point you're asking about.
And to better understand it and avoid falling into complete subjectivism, three criteria for understanding the truth were devised long ago:
- personal experience
- the opinion of a contemporary who, for good reasons, deserves your trust (a competent person)
- the memory of ancestors recorded in ancient books
Think, compare, and try to figure out what is true.
Go to Slack. I no longer understand what you are talking about.
Мой любимьій размер - тройка. Будь то конса, утопа или сиськи
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Another aspect: the automotive industry in Russia is developing at a rapid pace. Simple assembly is a thing of the past; we are almost completing the entire cycle and even starting to install our own automatic transmissions in foreign cars.
But you destroyed the Ukrainian automotive industry.

What exactly is developing at a rapid pace?
X Ray – is it a Renault Sandero or a Largus – a Renault Dacia Logan? And now, only the body is from the Dacia Logan, and the engine is from a Priora? ))
Is that what you mean?

Or maybe the UAZ – a "dung mixer," a million-dollar kit that constantly needs repairs – is a success?

And what about the overpriced nature of all this "stuff"? At least 200 thousand more.
It's supposedly "ours," but the prices are terribly inadequate for something "ours."
The main thing is that the Renault-Nissan alliance makes money, and officials launder the money allocated to the domestic automotive industry. Billions, mind you.

They raised tariffs for "foreigners" (to avoid healthy competition; who would buy their "stuff" then?) and keep prices high for "ours," and the patriots are happy.

The normal price for all these Vestas is 400-500 thousand, since it's "ours," but the guys need to make money. So they'll get away with it. And they do.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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What’s wrong with the engine from a Lada Priora? And the Patriot costs 720, not a million (and it’s not that bad for that price), so the truth lies somewhere in between. Besides, the Patriot isn’t disposable; it might need a lot of repairs, but it will last a very long time without replacing the main components, while the Hunter and the UAZ are practically legendary and have been around for ages. Personally, I wouldn’t want them to be replaced; there are no competitors for my needs. I have a UAZ from 1996, and it’s still going strong.
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There are no competitors simply because import duties have been raised. This is what keeps the price of foreign cars high. Get it?

And by the way, the price of "buckets" isn't falling either because of this. They set the price on the market.

But we're talking about "development," "our own, domestic" product, but what is it really? They eliminated the competition and aren't hindering Renault-Nissan from making money. They're just slapping together these hybrids like the "Largus."

find 10 differences
https://dacia-logan-mcv.infocar.ua/foto_logan-mcv_id104.html
https://vaz-largus.infocar.ua/largus_id1573.html
Is this what "development" is?

Regarding the Patrick, 720 for a shed on wheels that doesn't even have air conditioning, well, I don't know. And what about all-wheel drive? In general, buying the basic комплектации, which only have a steering wheel and a seat, isn't very appealing.

"there may be a lot of repairs" - and that's a very accurate observation :D But a vehicle should be used, not constantly repaired. That's my opinion.

Yes, they've stood the test of time. If you drive them to a quiet place, like a forest, and listen, you can hear them rotting :D Galvanic or hot-dip galvanizing? No, we haven't heard of it. They didn't have that in the Soviet Union.

About the "loaf" being more alive than the living, I'll never believe it. My friend's father had a "loaf," and he had a lot of fun with it.
But if you like tinkering with it in the garage, like a "real man," and you're happy with it, then there are no questions, of course.

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What are we even talking about? About the fact that "ours" is only in name, which is evidenced by the pricing policy. It's cheaper, of course, but only at the very bottom end of the Renault price range. Not half the price.

I have nothing against the aforementioned cars except for the PRICE.

Those who want to whine that cars are also expensive abroad, but ours are cheaper because they are "OURS," here are some interesting arguments:

For example, a BMW X3 costs $43214, the average salary in Germany is $2720, divide 43214/2720 = 15.9
The average salary in Russia is 25k = $360, the Xray costs 700k = $10000, divide 10000/360 = 27.8
Therefore, the Vesta costs a Russian 27.8/15.9 = 1.75 times more than a BMW X3 costs a German?
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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What's being developed there at a rapid pace?
Of course, we're still far from 100% localization, but aren't we moving in the right direction? We haven't caught up with the West yet – so, should we just give up? Be realistic; I was comparing it to Ukraine. We're building new factories, including our own for producing automatic transmissions.
Naturally, Renault-Nissan also wants to make a profit.
There's no "overpricing"; there's a market price. The factories need to develop and modernize – let them be protected by tariffs for now.

The talk about someone laundering billions is just baseless.
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For example, a BMW X3 costs $43,214, and the average salary in Germany is $2,720.
In Germany, owning a car is very expensive – taxes, gasoline.

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In World War II, only one country ended up performing poorly... which was also the one that "won"... All the others performed well...
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
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In World War II, only one country ultimately failed... which was the one that "won"... All the others performed well...

In World War II, the Allied countries won. And who failed is purely your subjective opinion. Please elaborate.
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.

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In World War II, only one country ultimately failed... which was the one that "won"... All the others performed better...

Well, it's not that simple. For example, as a result of the war, Great Britain lost its colonies and lost its status as a superpower, ceding it to the United States.
"There's no need to execute me,sir Davos . I'll be dead before dawn."
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In World War II, the alliance of countries won. And who failed there is purely your subjective opinion. Explain.
I'll explain. Economically and demographically, in the end, your favorite country – the USSR – failed.
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

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Well, it's a matter of perspective... It's not that simple. For example, as a result of the war, Great Britain lost its colonies and its status as a superpower, ceding it to the United States.

Germany was the superpower in those years; I saw it mentioned somewhere in a documentary, but I'm not sure. After Germany, the United States became the superpower.

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In World War II, only one country really lost... the one that "won"... All the others came out ahead...

There's a video online about World War II; it's a documentary. But it's like saying, "paki-paki and cherubim" – what's the meaning of these words? And who was good and who was bad was determined by the Nuremberg trials – the trial of surviving officers, but the catch was that the trial was conducted in such a way that it couldn't be said that you did the same things. In reality, the Soviets overwhelmed them with numbers; look at the Russo-Finnish War – 200,000 is not a significant loss for Stalin.
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Ландау лев https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNj_9EQxDoI&t=1174s

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Germany was a superpower at that time; I saw it mentioned in some documentaries, but I'm not sure.

Don't believe propaganda or pseudo-documentaries; look at a map of the world from those years. And what years are we talking about? 1939 (before the war) - one map of the world, 1941 - a completely different one. I meant before World War II... and after.
"There's no need to execute me,sir Davos . I'll be dead before dawn."
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Let me explain. Economically and demographically, your favorite country, the USSR, failed in the long run.

if it won, then prove it
if it failed, then prove it
otherwise, what's the point of these provocations?
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Funny) As soon as a political discussion started, Yura suddenly appeared out of nowhere :D As if he's constantly monitoring the forum in incognito mode)))

Piterius
If there is no Inquisition, consider it a victory, and so on.
"Merciful execution without bloodshed" was actually rarely applied to heretics. Throughout the investigation, the accused was constantly offered to repent. If he agreed, he would most likely get away with public repentance ceremonies. It was also possible to wear special clothes that identified the former heretic as a punishment. A monetary fine was also quite common. At the same time, the accused was considered to have returned to the bosom of the church. In case of repeated conviction for heresy, the punishment was much more severe.

If the heretic persisted and did not want to repent (which was very rare), the church... what do you think? It renounced him! The Inquisition confirmed the guilt of the heretic, stated that he was no longer a good Christian, and handed him over to the secular authorities.

Death sentences usually accounted for about three percent of all sentences. We will probably never know the exact number of people killed. Based on the statistics of modern researchers, we can say that during its entire existence, the Inquisition sentenced from one to three tens of thousands of people to death. In all Catholic countries together and over several centuries.

For comparison, the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre alone claimed approximately the same number of lives. Those were wild times, and against that background, the Inquisition was a model of legality and virtue.

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The cult of the superiority of strength over reason can be approximately defined as the source of all the ******* that happens. And accordingly, the adherents of this cult can be defined as adherents of evil on Earth.
You... please don't take this too seriously :). This cult arose with the appearance of the first single-celled organisms on Earth, and it will thrive until the end of all life. Yes, some people may not like it, but it is the norm and the default strategy that must be deliberately overcome each time.

However, things are not so bad, and humanity has made certain efforts to overcome this norm. For example, the concept of law arose in order to resolve disputes in a way other than fighting, and at the moment, within states (normal ones), the law is generally more powerful than other methods of people influencing each other.

The situation on the international stage is worse, but there are also certain shifts, the most significant of which is the UN (and before it - the Westphalian system). However, the events of recent years have shown that the UN has fundamental shortcomings, so after a certain amount of fighting, a more progressive instrument of international law will likely be formed. We'll see...
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