Posts from Shadowverse

if HeroesWorld has some interesting and multiplayer tournament.

In principle, I would participate in a tournament of any format. The idea of forming decks from a specific expansion pack or several (several is even better, so you can choose) seems interesting to me. This way, you could recreate a tournament based on some long-past meta, minus the nerfed cards.

I remember quitting because of the meta...

Basically, I see three options:
1. We play by the old rules (rotation) for the first two weeks of the new expansion.
2. We vote for and against individual expansions and choose 4 to play along with the new expansion (rotation).
3. We play only Bronzes and Silvers (unlimited).

Added after 1 minute
The main problem with the first option is that the idea itself is mediocre and doesn't differ much from previous Tournaments, and we also played at the beginning of the month back then.

With the second one, the issue is that a portal might turn out to be unplayable.

The third has no real downsides, but it's not certain that it will be very interesting.

Added after 16 hours 9 minutes
So, what then??

1. For the first two weeks of the new expansion, we play using the old rules (rotation).

2. We vote for or against individual expansions and choose 4 that we will play together with the new expansion (rotation).

I would choose one or two expansions, no more.
Because, ideally, I don't see this tournament as Fragment described it – I wouldn't want to play with the tired meta that already exists or existed in ranked play 100% of the time.
As is known, in each new expansion, there are only a few playable cards in ranked play, mostly high-tier ones, so that players waste their currency, and all the others serve as fodder for the arena, while new mechanics and concepts are still attached to them; however, no one plays with them because of the too high power level of old and new expensive cards. Therefore, I think that limiting it to 1-2 expansions would force players to draw from the "trash pool" and allow them to reveal this aspect and create decks that are not too optimized but still thematic, using unpopular cards. The main problem here is that for some classes, some expansions are just unplayable garbage, but this will become clearer when we try to create a deck from them. In the worst case, each player could choose their own two expansions to balance this problem; there are many things that could be devised.

3. We only play with bronze and silver cards (unlimited).

Well, it might be a bit boring, but it might not be. In any case, there aren't that many cards in this tier, and only the most overpowered ones, so I personally want to try more cards of these tiers. And what I wrote in the second point implies this.

If we develop this topic – choosing the second point and a couple of expansions – it is necessary to limit legendaries, I think, because they are quite cancerous in silver. We can limit them to one or two cards out of three in a deck, or, as I think would be better, to one copy in the deck; in this case, all four (five? six?) types can be used. At the same time, this reduces the problem of poverty and the lack of complete sets of legendaries. I don't see such a problem with gold cards, although there are some cancerous ones there as well; in the worst case, we can allow two.
Well, these are all technical details that need to be thought out after we finally decide on the format.

I won on the first try. I didn't expect it myself, as I thought the deck was too weak, despite having Olive, two Octrias, a lot of board flood, rush, storms, buffs, and other joys of life. I think I lost the first battle against the Shadow, but then I won the next four almost effortlessly - two portals, Sword, and Blood. In the last one, it was funny; I played like a true aggro deck on turn six - flooding the board and finishing with Celia for 7 damage. So, I recommend this deck for general play.
And yes, I don't mind losing to decks with the New Year's Vanyushka, so I didn't try to specifically counter it.

Overall, I agree with Lock. I'm willing to play any format, but I'd rank them in terms of preference as "expansion pack selection" > silvers and bronzes > standard format. I'll add that I initially envisioned the expansion pack selection format exactly as Ment described (if I understood him correctly): choose expansions not through a universal vote, but individually. Then, you can select expansions that suit your classes, rather than ending up in a situation where, with the chosen rules, your favorite crafts turn out to be weak, while those that you don't have many cards for from the corresponding sets end up being the strongest. The main problem with this approach is that "cancer" decks like the cockroach or Daria, which are based primarily on cards from one or two expansions, will likely still exist. I see two possible solutions here: either, as Morny suggested, limit the number of legendaries and possibly gold cards, or simply ban certain 2-3-4 cards from each pack. Or restrict them to 1 copy in the deck. And the cards to be banned should be determined by a vote. But this could take a long time and be unjustified with a small number of players.

Added after 33 minutes
Although... If you choose four expansions through a general vote, then it will probably be fine. For some reason, I thought about two, but Ment was actually suggesting one. One seems like too little. Unless you allow players to choose different expansions separately for each of their classes – like playing with Bahamut-Dragon, Chronogenesis-Portal, etc.

The Chronogenesis portal will be an overpowered card, because back then, the portal had a ton of cards and was perfect for a decent DEM deck.

Also, I don't really care what format the tournament will be, I'm not entirely sure I even want to play, I'm already tired of endless Grand Prix.

The Chronogenesis portal will be an overpowered card, because back then, the portal had a lot of cards and was perfect for a decent DEM deck.

Hmm, I remember the good old days of the Chronogenesis portal with a 30% win rate.

If we choose four expansions through a general vote, it would probably be good. I somehow thought about two, but Ment apparently suggested only one. One is too few, I think. Unless we allow players to choose different expansions separately for each of their classes - like playing as a Bahamut Dragon, Chronogenesis Portal, etc.

Four is a complete rotation. I think two is more than enough.

So, what's the verdict?

I won't play any version; I'll actually learn something for once. Otherwise, I'll end up playing games with Ples, who will beat me, and I'll find something more interesting to do. I know how this goes.

So far, four people have expressed interest, and that’s probably the limit. In principle, this could be playable, and the tournament wouldn’t drag on for months with this number of participants, unless someone suddenly disappears from the online space without warning. Although, aesthetically, five seems like the ideal number.

Wow, what a great outfit. Too bad the stats didn't turn out well.

Also, I need to update the legendary item stats after the new expansion. I'm already getting a crazy amount of loot, with a couple of legendaries dropping almost every day (mostly useless, but a third Ferya, a third Masamune, and a second Lunarsol wouldn't hurt), and after the new expansion, even with my limited gold, I'll be able to craft some amazing things...

The Grand Prix turned out to be as fun as I expected. The first stage was easy; I beat the dragon on the first try, and then I just played until I got one win to get the pack. The second stage was not so easy – I didn't manage to win with the famous Swarm on the first try. On the second try, I took Forest and barely qualified:



The deck is, of course, quite specific: just look at the two Star Elves that I picked at the beginning – "yeah, I'll pick up some more Amulets" – and in the end, I was offered only useless Pixie Paradises. The Queen Healer never played once, nor did Cybele, who used to help me a lot in the arena, but the two Harlots simply carried the games. And in general, the games were quite intense and interesting, especially the fourth one, where my internet connection dropped for a minute, I didn't have time to finish the exchange, and then I survived and defended with 2 health points for several turns.

And here's another cool story. When you're offered Myrrabane as the second pick, you ignore it – "nah, I won't be able to build a deck around him." Then it's offered again – as the third pick from the end – and you suddenly realize that you don't have any duplicates. You take it. And, of course, in the last pick, you have a duplicate in both options:



I got my second loss here because I was greedy and didn't put down an Omen on turn 6, even though I already had an Albert in my hand – I chose a more "profitable" drop. My opponent responded with his own Omen, followed by heavy followers. The first rule of the arena is that anything can happen in the arena!)

Ah yes, it seems the curse of chronogenesis has been lifted: I pulled two legendaries from 5 packs, and they weren't useless – Spinaria and Badb. It feels like I've broken the game, especially considering that I didn't get much from the other gift packs. But I did get a winning Masamune from the Grand Prix.

I didn't like the dragon in this mode; there's too high a chance of drafting bad cards. I played it for the first two rounds and in a private match with Fragment, and twice I got two Fafnirs and three Jabberwocks, both of which are terrible. At the same time, the most this class can surprise you with is Genesis or Dehak in your face, while other classes have summons, buffs, hero effects, invulnerability, and all sorts of other things.
But I really liked the portal; there are billions of cards with interesting effects and synergies, and it's a pleasure to play with.
And I passed both times on the first try. The first time, I was yawning through the sword challenge (how unexpected, it's strong in the arena, maybe this is news for the first channel), and the second time, to my own surprise, I chose the priest – I learned and didn't pick the dragon for the fourth time. I didn't really understand what I was winning with; once, I successfully spawned a table full of beasts with Zekobaba, but the game was already going in my favor, and the other times I just outplayed the game with heals, trades, and card advantage. Once, Mordekai disconnected from me after I put out a Light Deer under Evolution. In general, the priest seemed stronger than usual, although I crushed them with the portal.