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Offline Dirty_Player
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There are two extreme viewpoints here. You voiced one.
The opposite one states that it's absurd to force people to come up with a report about a draw (in a broader sense - to pay any attention to it at all) if a draw suits both of them. Well, they'll come up with something because you, as a judge, require it. Does this change the essence of the matter? It's a negotiated draw without any actual play.
It's not about inventing something, but about stating one's right to a draw. That's normal. But when a player disappears, doesn't communicate, but still receives something other than 0, that's absurd. IMHO.
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There is another option. It was used in the previous OFB. Agreed draws in the last two rounds were prohibited, but if the match dragged on and the players didn't finish within the time limit, they could submit their saves to the arbitrators, and the result could be accepted by a judge's decision, including a draw.

However, if there is no report, no one requested to appoint an ODD (Official Decision Decider), or a judge's decision, then both receive a technical draw.
I understand that a slightly different situation is being discussed here (points 13, 14, and 15 of the tournament rules), namely that if both players fail to submit a game report on time, both players receive a technical draw of 1:1, rather than a mutual technical loss of 0:0 as was the case, for example, in the OFB. Dirty believes that 0:0 is fairer both to the other players and to the players who scored. In the grand scheme of things, there is no difference in the outcome, whether it's 1:1 or 0:0, although there is a possibility that a player who scored in the last two rounds against players in a similar situation could end up ahead due to the technical draw of 1:1, overtaking a player who honestly played all the games and could have finished in 4th place if the "scorers" had been given 0:0.
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Offline sir Davos Seaworth
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I understand that a slightly different situation is being discussed here (points 13, 14, and 15 of the tournament rules), where if both players fail to submit their game reports on time, both players receive a technical draw of 1:1, rather than a mutual technical loss of 0:0 as was the case, for example, in OFB. Dirty believes that 0:0 is fairer, both to the other players and to the players who forfeited. Ultimately, there is no significant difference in the outcome, whether it's 1:1 or 0:0, although there is a possibility that a player who forfeited in the last two rounds could end up ahead of a player who played all their games honestly and could have finished in 4th place if the forfeiting players had been given a 0:0 result.
For me, the answer is obvious here; I can only repeat what Dirty said (regarding the technical results). As for the match-fixing, I don't entirely agree.

And draws due to no-shows are complete nonsense. A player who forfeited 1-2 games and lost the rest will be ranked higher than someone who played all possible games and lost
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Draws due to inactivity are complete nonsense. A player who hasn't played a single game will end up higher than someone who has played all possible games and lost.
I suggest you think for more than a minute before writing.
How can one get draws due to inactivity in all games? What level of inertia must the other players have?
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A player who skips 1-2 games and loses the rest will be higher than someone who has played all possible games and lost.
I suggest you think even longer.
How could the second player lose all games if the first player, who lost everything, is in their group, including at least one game against the second player? This means they either received a loss against the second player due to inactivity.

In general, you are discussing deeply theoretical situations that I don't even plan to allow.
As the tournament organizer, I expect that in practice, two completely inactive players will be disqualified by me. It doesn't matter how many draws they have or how many points they get.
And I already said this above. I can't imagine how this could not happen. If you see such a scenario, provide examples, examples, write examples.

Two topics were discussed a little above.
1) Agreed draw. Merlin is the ideologue - all draws should be canceled. My response - go ahead, cancel them. Dirty appears - nothing needs to be canceled. I think the topic is closed.
2) Draw of inactives. Dirty is the ideologue. My response - disqualifying both makes it irrelevant how many points the inactives receive. Dirty's response - but giving points to inactives is absurd! My response - disqualifying both makes it irrelevant how many points the inactives receive #2. I hope the topic is closed.
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Offline MerlinTheMagician
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In the "Addressing issues related to no-shows and late arrivals" section, I didn't find any grounds for disqualifying a player. What disqualification are we even talking about? I mean, it would be good to clearly define the formal grounds for disqualification (so there are no problems later).
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Offline Grando
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Possibly a mistake. Merlin, since you've become so dedicated to the common cause, could you please check the regulations of the last three or four "Lyubimchik," "Only-HL," and "OFB" tournaments for any clauses regarding disqualifications? And also check the tables of these tournaments for any disqualifications. I vaguely remember that disqualifying inactive players is a common practice, but I might have missed the specific points in the Regulations. However, I don't have time to check myself right now due to being busy.
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So, what's the point of checking (I'm busy preparing for the New Year)? 1. Skipped a match without a valid reason (illness or temporary incapacity) - you're out. 2. Caught cheating/grossly violating the rules - you're out. "11. Each participant is allowed a limited number of absences from individual matches during the tournament due to unforeseen circumstances in their life: + one absence during the group stage + plus one absence starting from the transition stage + plus one absence starting from the 1/4 stage in the upper or lower bracket." I recommend removing this point altogether. Unforeseen circumstances happen to everyone. But everyone can't be accommodated, so if you can't play, depending on the stage, you may be disqualified or forfeit the current match.
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Dirty's appearance - nothing needs to be canceled. I think the topic is closed.
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Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

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Offline sir Davos Seaworth
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Why even bother with all this hassle? Non-appearance results in a technical loss; two or three non-appearances lead to disqualification from the tournament (results of previously played matches in the group are not taken into account).
"There's no need to execute me,sir Davos . I'll be dead before dawn."
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I'd like ODD assigned to my party with Patriot.
Too late. According to the rules u should ask about ODD till 14 00 Moscow Time not after. Declined



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A worthy Inferno warrior. Chaos in his mind. He sows chaos around him. And he is very warlike. Information about the ODD of Dave and Patriot can be found in their profiles.
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A worthy Inferno fighter. Chaos in his head. He sows chaos around him. And he is very warlike.

Dave and Patriot have information about the ODD in their private messages.
So, Dave sent you a private message about the ODD before 2:00 PM Moscow time?



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So, did Dave message you privately about the ODD before 2:00 PM Moscow time?
That is, I don't see any reason to worry about this at all. It matters, but within reasonable limits. There's the letter of the rules, and there's the spirit. The spirit is that the opponent should have time during Thursday to report when it is convenient for him to play, if the opponent is active at all. Yes, Dave wrote later, but Patriot still hasn't checked the forum today. I wrote to Patriot and extended his deadline for when he can report his convenient time for the ODD, because I can extend it today. I don't see any more difficulties at the moment.
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Doesn't matter, huh?))) My approach was different. Ahaha, so why did you put on this clown show in private messages, claiming you're some super principled judge? You were saying that even 15 minutes is a significant amount of real time, and a lot can change in that time, but here, it's a one and a half hour delay, and it's no big deal :D In my case, a two and a half hour delay was unreasonable and unacceptable. Outrageous. Something that goes beyond the pale. But now, the rhetoric is different. It's amusing to watch your hypocrisy and attempts to accuse someone else of causing chaos.



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