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Posts from Heroes 5.5 WarGame Edition - Tactical Edition.Auto-translated
There's an improved option: don't ask the player about anything at all (no need to create unnecessary dialogues).
Activate the change of the base color when two conditions are met simultaneously: placing a fort and having the hero in the city garrison (the color changes to match the hero's class). If the hero is not in the garrison during the placement of the fort, no change should occur.
In other words, for regular players, it's as if there's no color change at all (no dialogues), but if the player wants, they can activate it (by placing the hero in the garrison at the moment the fort is built).
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This is NOT what we need; churches are appearing again. The first option is good; there's no need to overthink which hero to use to enter the castle to get the desired upgrade.
Otherwise, I build a Fortress for a tier 1-2 resource boost, and in the window, I choose the basic upgrade I want, even if my hero has a different specialty! That's great – freedom of choice!
Nargott, are you planning to implement this option for the Citadel (tiers 1-4) and the Castle (tiers 1-6), or will the basic upgrade only be selectable once in the Fortress?
Only when hiring basic creatures (i.e., unupgraded ones). In essence, it's a substitution of one basic color for another.
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I think the second scheme will be more interesting. What do you think?
In principle, there is a possibility to expand the Capitol branch along the tiers (from 1 to 7). But is it worth doing (will it slow down the pace of economic growth)?
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In principle, there is a possibility to develop the Capitol branch based on tiers (from 1 to 7). But is it worth doing (will it slow down the pace of economic growth)?
In scheme 1-2, can the Capitol be built on turn 4? If so, then I strongly disagree. Restrictions on the level of the castle should be applied to each building in this branch. If it is technically impossible, then I am only in favor of scheme 3. Scheme 2 is definitely better than scheme 1, but the second arrow from the Citadel to the Stable needs to be removed; why is it needed if you are going to increase the castle level for the Knights? Scheme 3 is closer to the original for me, but whether it is better than scheme 2 needs to be tested; the main thing is that the Capitol cannot be built before week 2!
I have already explained why archers from the Stronghold to the Knight are necessary (either directly or indirectly via stables). The Capitol is far from being the strongest city building, but nevertheless, I agree that allowing it to be placed on day 3 is overkill. Not even because of the starting town, where it's unlikely to be in demand, but because of additional towns, which will simply build up their economy like wildfire. The numbers to the left of the diagram indicate the tiers (required city levels). The Capitol is at city level 7, meaning it can be built on day 5 of the first week.
Added after 35 minutes This is how the diagram for the Dungeon might look:
Dungeon Growth Rates:
1) Assassins 250 x (5-20) 2) Beasts 400 x (4-16) 3) Minotaurs 600 x (4-12) 4) Predators 750 x (3-9) 5) Witches 1000 x (3-6) 6) Hydras 3000 x (1-2) 7) Dragons 6000 x 1
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The main thing is that the Capitol shouldn't be buildable before the 2nd week!
I don't see the point in focusing so much on the Capitol. Yes, 4k per day, but after building the Magistrate, we already have 2k per day, and breaking through to a gold mine in the second week isn't that big of a problem, or you can just wander around and defeat neutral creatures that guard chests or gold piles. Again, if you're playing on Hero difficulty, we get 10k at the beginning (if I'm not mistaken), and on the 3rd day, we simply won't have enough money (unless we aggressively defeat neutral creatures), but even if we do build it, it will only be worth 8k-22k gold (with the Magistrate built), but we need to subtract the cost of building the structure itself from this amount, so the maximum loss is 12k gold. I repeat, I don't see the point in making the start more difficult for the sake of 12,000 gold; it won't have a significant impact on large maps, and on small maps, the focus will be on the initial army, and there won't be time for the Capitol.
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I apologize in advance to Menta for using the word "упарываться."
The Capitol is far from the strongest building in the city, but I still agree that allowing it to be built on day 3 is an overreach. Not even because of the starting city, where it is unlikely to be in demand, but because of the additional cities that will simply be built for economic gain at an accelerated pace. The numbers to the left of the diagram indicate the thresholds (required city levels). The Capitol is at level 7 of the city, i.e., it can be built on day 5 of the first week.
Building it on day 3-5 of the first week means gaining 1 day in the second week + 9000-15000 gold compared to the Town Hall in the original game. And on day 1 of the third week, it will provide an additional (approximately) 24000-30000 gold compared to the vanilla version. Doesn't level 7 mean that you need to build 6 other buildings to construct the Capitol? That is, we can only build level 7 on day 7. Then it's normal; on day 7, it's desirable to build a Dwelling or Forts, and on day 8, buy troops, but building the Capitol on day 3-5 is overpowered!
P.S. Why does the Hydra have a growth rate of 1-2 instead of 2-3? Do you want to make it a top-tier creature of Tier 6? Isn't it too much for a faction to have both Tier 7 and Tier 6 top-tier creatures? P.P.S. I really like the 5x5 building scheme with a full line of Governor-Capitol! Only, in my opinion, the arrow from the Predators to the Altar of Elements is unnecessary.
Isn't the Capitol built only once for all castles (in the game)? Building it on day 3-5 of the first week means getting 2 weeks' worth of income plus 9000-15000 gold compared to the Town Hall in the original game. And on day 1 of the third week, it will be an additional (approximately) 20000-30000 gold compared to the vanilla version. Doesn't level 7 mean that you need to build 6 other buildings before you can build the Capitol? That is, we can only build it on day 7. Then it's normal; on day 7, you should build a Dwelling or Forts, and on day 8, buy troops, but building the Capitol on day 3-5 is overpowered!
Well, if you're playing on Recruit or Warrior difficulty, then, of course, it's overpowered, but in other cases, you won't have enough starting resources for tier 7. In my opinion, the Capitol isn't that overpowered even on the first day because it just gives you money. Buying resources with it for construction will be quite expensive (1 for 2.5k or even 5k!!!). Yes, the 4k income makes life easier, but the whole game doesn't revolve around it, not even building all the cities, but only one. I repeat, I don't see the point in focusing so much on the Capitol. P.S. Where did you get those numbers?
But you're not taking into account that it takes you a whole 3 days out of the first week to fully build the capitol. That is, both the first and second weeks will suffer significantly in terms of troop production.
Moreover, the capitol is useless in the first week. In WGE, building up to the capitol will cost 1000 (town hall) + 3000 (magistrate) + 6000 (capitol). This means that the capitol will only pay for itself 3 days after construction. That is, only on the 9th day (no earlier than the second week) will the capitol start to generate a real profit. For the entire first week, you will be in the red, even compared to building without a town hall and magistrate in the first week. Building a capitol means hoping not to die from an early rush in the first week and somehow survive with small troops in the second week. If you're going to build a capitol, it's often more profitable to do it on the 8th day (start of the second week) than on the 5th. With an early capitol, the gain is only +6 thousand compared to a late one, but for the extra day of construction in the first week, you can easily build additional creatures of comparable value (for example, what's better - 6 thousand or the ability to hire an extra dragon in your army?). InoyOleh
P.S. Why does the hydra have a growth rate of 1-2 instead of 2-3? Do you want to make it a top-tier creature of Tier 6? Isn't that too much for the faction to have both Tier 7 and Tier 6 top-tier creatures?
And why not? The elves and dwarves have the same situation with these tiers. In general, the hydra is a unit worthy of Tier 7 (as it was in previous games).
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You don't seem to consider that you spend a whole 3 days out of the first week on fully building up the Castle. This means that both the first and second weeks will suffer in terms of troop production.
Moreover, the Castle is useless during the first week. In WGE, building up to the Castle will cost 1000 (Town Hall) + 3000 (Magistrate) + 6000 (Castle). This means that the Castle will only pay for itself 3 days after construction.
I agree, but I would make the cost of the Town Hall 1500 so that, like the Magistrate and the Castle, it would only pay for itself on the 3rd day ((1000-500)/1500=3).
I repeat: I really liked your 5x5 building scheme (the last one with the Dungeon) with a full line of Town Hall - Magistrate - Castle (3-5-7)! I think it can be taken as the main one.
P.S. I see that you have removed buildings that provide a small increase and buildings with a small bonus from your schemes. Which is basically correct; 2 racial buildings (Stables and Training Grounds or Altar of Elements and Trading Guild) per Castle is perfectly fine.
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