Mafia 80. Chronicles in Plasticine. — Mafia

0xFF

12 years ago

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Arandor

I considered it as one ND.
In general, Ootu should somehow highlight these NDs better, because they are all mixed up. The description is not very clear anyway, and you also have to look for their quantity.

Okay, if there are four of them, then it probably displayed 1, 3, 5, and maybe 6, which is why this cry from the forest followed immediately after the first one.

I assumed that there was no reason to describe one ND with such a "double" action, especially in this specific way. It doesn't fit any of the NDs.

Ment

12 years ago

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This is what distinguishes all the "mafias" in Heroes ^^ It's a local quirk; I haven't seen it anywhere else.

Then it's strange that I'm still alive!
Larisa's post was very impressive because it describes things in detail and attempts to take into account the relationships between the non-player characters.
So, weapon hacking, block, or protection by Bill the Red, the hammer was persistently present with him, a diversionary maneuver by the "A" character, and the two-thousandth character promotes smoking; I think that's the set.

Larisa

12 years ago

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Glink. Complete the quest – most likely, it was ('"One, two... Testing... Does this thing work?" accompanied by a slight creak'). Hacker from Kharkiv. Moderator – unlikely, as it's useless on the first night. Robot Bill. Sentimentality – probably it was ('someone screamed hoarsely: "I'M BILL... BILL GATES..."'). Windows. Smoking – definitely not, because Windows was firing from a cannon. Virus A. Diversionary maneuver – it was ("someone carefully destroyed a huge satellite antenna" – probably this). Bear. Distant memory – not, as none of the descriptions fit. Windows 2000. Smoking – almost certainly it was; it's unlikely that Man would just take it and not send the second Night Detective ("a piercing scream from the mushroom forest" – got high on mushrooms and started screaming). Windows 2000. Reboot – definitely not, because otherwise we wouldn't have seen any other Night Detectives. 0xFF, do you agree? And from this, in particular, it follows that Bill is now on the side of the Mafia, and Rudy is the Bear. Is that right?

0xFF

12 years ago

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yes, that's what I wrote. Regarding specific links between the neutral descriptions and the descriptions – I don't know, but it's not that important. I just didn't understand why the bear couldn't come to the robot.

Arandor

12 years ago

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Larisa, are you saying that the bear didn't go to the robot and find it, but the robot went to the bear and found it? But considering that the robot went to Rudoy, then...
or not?)

Arandor

12 years ago

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Ah, never mind. You’ve already written it yourself.

Larisa

12 years ago

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Regarding the clue: I checked all the dates in the profiles on Wikipedia, and in no case did I find any capitulations (there were some defeats, but not too significant), or any particularly good news. Except for the already mentioned May 8th, yes. But I won't execute anyone on the first day based on such a clue. I haven't looked at the other parts of the profiles or the clue for mana yet; maybe I'll look at them in the evening.

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I just don't understand why the bear couldn't come to the robot.

And what description could possibly be connected to this?

Нэйко

12 years ago

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Wait, if the Robot sided with the Mafia, then what about Red Bear? Why isn't anyone executing him?

Arandor

12 years ago

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Everyone is afraid that if you vote first, Ruddy will start harassing you, find evidence, and ultimately you will be executed.

Нэйко

12 years ago

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Good luck to him, let him search. Execute Redbeard. I don't want to sit around doing nothing, and I don't want to wait for things to happen.

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And yes, if by some miracle a more worthy candidate appears, I can change my vote (of course, if I have time).

Ment

12 years ago

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That's a bit much, folks. Are you sure that if Bill visited the bear, its nickname would be displayed? It seems too obvious. Or do you think Oot was counting on a complex style of descriptions?

Larisa

12 years ago

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Are you sure that if Bill visited the bear, the bear's nickname would be displayed?

No, of course not. The Red One's nickname was displayed not because of that, but because of other non-deterministic factors that triggered the nickname display (the persistent presence of the guy with the hammer and the robot's defense/block). From the latter, we know that the robot visited the Red One.

Arandor

12 years ago

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It might have been intended that way, or it might just be an oversight.
Regardless, the AI-controlled unit always displays the nickname of the player whose castle it visited. The issue is that a bear might find the unit, but it's unclear how that would be described.

Larisa

12 years ago

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For now, I'm voting to **execute Redbeard**, but I'll check back in the evening, and if someone presents convincing arguments against this theory, I'll withdraw my vote.

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Another thing is that the bear could have found the robot, but I don't know how it would be described.

I don't know for sure, but it's unlikely to be like this: 'Then someone screamed: ”ME BILL… BILL GATES…”'. This is more suitable for a robot.

Ment

12 years ago

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No, of course not. Redbeard's nickname wasn't displayed because of that, but because of other non-deterministic effects (NDs) targeting him, which cause the nickname to appear (the persistent presence of the guy with the hammer and the robot's defense/block). From the latter, we know that the robot was targeting Redbeard.

That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about recruitment (it's essentially a feature, not an ND), but specifically about the robot's NDs. I'm not sure if they will be displayed if applied to the bear. In the online game, it's not specified, and maybe it wasn't even considered, but it wouldn't be very logical to do it that way.

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