Poll with comments: skill tree. — Tournament History

leosnow

13 years ago

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I'm surprised how much people want to win without any effort. If these skill trees exist, they should be unique for each class (1-255).
Personally, I created a map and tested all the heroes at least once, and only 2-3 of them were interesting; everything corresponds exactly to the game mechanics. There are no bad heroes in the game; you just need to use each one differently, and that's your personal choice.
The only thing I would like to know is the algorithm for unit behavior on the battlefield in relation to other units. I want to play the game myself (since I'm spending time on it that I won't get back), and not have someone or some program play for me.

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Defiant

13 years ago

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Well, we caught a nasty program. :(

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twaryna

12 years ago

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I want to bring up this almost forgotten topic.

It turns out that some players are successfully using this ambiguous program. Moreover, the opinion of the Admins on this matter at the moment is that the program is allowed for use. Although I, like many others, was sure that this is a prohibited program and it cannot be used. And I would like to clarify everything.

If the program is allowed, I would like to receive a public answer from the Admins. If it is prohibited, then also.

In my opinion, it should be prohibited at the rules level. I hope I don't need to explain why? Discuss :smile09:

Dark

12 years ago

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Please provide a link to the program.

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numOne

12 years ago

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twaryna

I want to bring up this almost forgotten topic.

It turns out that some players are successfully using this ambiguous program. Moreover, the current opinion of the Administration Committee (AC) on this matter is that the program is allowed for use. Although I, like many others, was sure that it was a prohibited program and could not be used. And now I would like to clarify everything.

If the program is allowed, I would like to receive a public answer from the AC. If it is prohibited, then also.

In my opinion, it should be banned at the level of rules. I hope there is no need to explain why?
Discuss :smile09:

In the rules, in the section about programs:

"2. The use of additional programs that speed up the gameplay process is permitted, including:
- A mod to improve the functional part of the interface - HoMM3 HD,
- Animation accelerator in battles - Cranim.
All bugs arising from the use of these programs and files are the responsibility of the player using them.
The use of any other additional programs and files that affect the Gameplay without agreement with the opponent is prohibited."

I would like to know who exactly uses the skill tree and where did you get this information?

SP_SkyLine

12 years ago

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The first thought is the same: provide a link to the program; I'm interested in taking a look. But if it's prohibited, it's better not to tempt fate.

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twaryna

12 years ago

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numOne

In the rules, there is a point about programs:

"2. The use of additional programs that speed up the gameplay process is allowed, in particular:
- A mod to improve the functional part of the interface - HoMM3 HD,
- Animation accelerator in battles - Cranim.
All bugs arising from the use of these programs and files are the responsibility of the player using them.
The use of any other additional programs and files that affect the Gameplay is prohibited without agreement with the opponent."

I would like to know who exactly uses the skill tree and where did you get this information?

Diabler and Jurist. Information from my stream. Kostya and Pit said it was okay to use it, so they do. That's why I raised this topic, to clarify everything. If it’s allowed, then everyone will be on equal terms. If not, let everyone know that it’s not allowed.

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numOne

12 years ago

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twaryna

Diabler and Jurist. Information from my stream. Kostya and Pit said it's okay to use it, so they are. That's why I brought up the topic, to clarify everything. If it's allowed, that's fine, and we'll all be on equal footing. If it's not allowed, everyone needs to understand that it's not allowed.

Let's wait and see what Kostya and Pit have to say about this.

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Dark

12 years ago

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numOne

In the rules, there is a point about programs:

"2. The use of additional programs that speed up the gameplay process is allowed, in particular:
- A mod to improve the functional part of the interface - HoMM3 HD,
- Animation accelerator in battles - Cranim.
The player using these programs and files is responsible for all bugs arising from their use.
The use of any other additional programs and files that affect the Gameplay without agreement with the opponent is prohibited."

I would like to know who exactly uses the skill tree and where did you get this information?

Essentially, the skill tree is a program that does not affect the course of the game in a prohibited way; it's like the same program for calculating the damage that a unit will inflict. Isn't that right?:smile17:

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numOne

12 years ago

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darkello

essentially, the skill tree is a program that doesn't affect the game in a prohibited way; it's like a program that calculates the damage a unit will inflict. Isn't that right?:smile17:

Knowing the skill tree in advance directly affects the gameplay.

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Captain

12 years ago

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numOne

Knowing the skill tree in advance directly affects the gameplay.

Absolutely.
Also, it seems you can use a program that completely reveals the map in a separate window.

Diabler

12 years ago

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The program doesn't work online. And even if the skill tree offers excellent options, there's no point in breaking the tree, as most heroes level up well anyway.

dom2

12 years ago

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"2. The use of additional programs that speed up the gameplay is permitted, in particular:
- A mod to improve the interface functionality - HoMM3 HD,
- An animation speed booster in battles - Cranim.
The player using these programs and files is responsible for any bugs that arise.
The use of any other additional programs and files that affect the gameplay is prohibited without prior agreement with the opponent."

There is a virtually unambiguous ban on the use of additional programs, except for those explicitly listed above.
To make the ban legally flawless, the words "in particular" (my italics) should be removed from the wording.

Ment

12 years ago

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Absolutely.
Also, it seems you can use a program that completely displays the map in a separate window.

Perhaps my opinion isn't very important here because I don't play online, but I'll still say something... The example is completely irrelevant. The program described in the topic performs an action that is already available to the player through legitimate means (writing down the locations of trees on paper or in a separate file and referring to it, or even memorizing them). But displaying the map is not possible. You can't write down the map for a random game on a piece of paper or memorize it, to put it bluntly.

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MerlinTheMagician

12 years ago

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I would suggest, at the rules level, banning any third-party programs, including damage calculators and object guard count calculators. In general, I would suggest banning any calculators, including a regular one ("you need to use your own brain to play" - "Kin-Dza-Dza"). Also, I would suggest banning the use of the print-screen function to view terrain – I once saw this being done by a cheater named Tvarina.

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