Unit cost and quality. — General

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6/15/2007 11:08 AM UTC #20

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First, get that "Steal" spell, and then we'll see. Haven can also get Exorcism or Magic Bolt. You can come up with a lot of ideas...
And the Nagas are good units. A good counter. But they could use a speed boost, which Haven doesn't have. Unless they steal it from the enemy (Nature, Chaos)...
P.S. And I think they can't attack everything... after all...

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6/15/2007 5:46 PM UTC #21

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First, get that "Steal" spell, and then we'll see. Order can also get Exorcism or Magic Burst. You can come up with a lot of things...
And Nagas are good units. A good counter. But they wouldn't mind some speed boost, which Order doesn't have, unless they steal it from the opponent (Nature, Chaos)...
P.S. And I don't think they can cut down everything and everyone... after all...

I also think they can't, but okay, let's move on.=

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This only stuns them for one turn. That's not a solution. And 4 shots are better than 8, right?:D

It's better, but not by much, and you can often cast the cloud spell, as it's an area-of-effect spell.

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First, get that "Steal" spell, and then we'll see. Order can also get Exorcism or Magic Burst. You can come up with a lot of things...
And Nagas are good units. A good counter. But they wouldn't mind some speed boost, which Order doesn't have, unless they steal it from the opponent (Nature, Chaos)...
P.S. And I don't think they can cut down everything and everyone... after all...

Nagas can be teleported to the enemy's base, and then with their mass attack and no retaliation

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6/16/2007 5:45 AM UTC #22

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It's better, but not by much, and you can often create a cloud, as it's an area-of-effect spell.

You know, the hero will run out of mana, but the genies will still be at their peak. The armies will be weakened, and just in time, the genies will have a full mana supply. This isn't a solution. IMHO.

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6/16/2007 11:00 AM UTC #23

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You can teleport Nagas to the enemy's side, and then they can use their area attack and retaliate.

In principle, you can... yes. But what will happen to them on the enemy's side?

P.S. Nagas only have retaliatory attacks; they don't have any area-of-effect abilities...

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6/16/2007 11:11 AM UTC #24

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In Equilibris, there is a mass attack.

Be strong. Believe

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6/16/2007 11:25 AM UTC #25

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In principle, it's possible... yes. But what will happen to them in this faction?

P.S. The Nagas only have a retaliatory attack; they don't have any massed units...

Yes, yes, in Equilibris, as Arandor said, that's for sure. I've seen it and used it.

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6/16/2007 11:40 AM UTC #26

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Well, that's what I'm saying, that in Equilibrium... I'm not arguing here. So, you decided to create a worthy alternative to the Genies. So that the player would have at least some doubts before choosing their level 3 building.

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6/16/2007 12:02 PM UTC #27

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I like the price of creatures in the Stronghold faction. It matches their quality. It's a very good deal considering their strength. Although they are quite straightforward in their actions.

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6/16/2007 12:14 PM UTC #28

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Yes, but I always understand the computer when it also levels up its Nature skill to speed up those creatures, otherwise they will definitely lose a lot before they get close enough...

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6/16/2007 12:41 PM UTC #29

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Yes, but I always understand the computer when it also levels up Nature to speed up these creatures, otherwise they will lose a lot before they get closer...

Yeah, they are quite slow =). And the storm birds are also good, fast and with a powerful attack (lightning still deals about half the damage that the birds themselves deal, it seems), it's a pity that they are not that durable, but if you compare them to champions, then the birds are out of competition, they have more health and their growth is also higher.

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6/17/2007 7:49 AM UTC #30

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Yeah, they're pretty slow. But the storm birds are good too, they're fast and have a powerful attack (lightning still deals about half the damage that the birds themselves do, I think), it's a shame they're not that durable, but if you compare them to champions, the birds are in a different league, they have more health and their growth rate is also higher.

No, champions have a higher growth rate. But champions aren't quite right... when the birds strike like thunder, that's it. So I would increase the value of the birds...

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6/17/2007 8:23 AM UTC #31

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No, champs have a higher growth. But champs aren't it... once the birds hit with thunder, that's all. That's why I would raise the price for the birds...

Well, more grows taking into account the Barbarian building (forgot the name) 50% to growth=) if you raise the price of the birds, no one will build them; they'll say why should I overpay for a unit with a powerful one-time attack (because the birds might not hit a second time) if there are monsters (strong health and strong attack), I'll survive their speed somehow, I'll find acceleration) Moreover, birds don't hit everyone with lightning, and from some units they'll actually get it back (they might not be very effective against Chaos and Nature), by the way, the birds' lightning effectively doesn't work on vampires either, but instead they take full damage from the bird, guess why :D

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6/17/2007 8:38 AM UTC #32

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Well, the growth increases even more when taking into account the Barbarian building (forgot the name) – 50% to the growth!

Haha! And I agree with you on the rest. I personally prefer birds, but they are a bit fragile...

by the way, lightning from birds doesn't really affect vampires, but they take full damage from the bird, guess why

Why? ...

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6/17/2007 8:45 AM UTC #33

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Why? ...

Because of the vampires.... oh, I miscalculated:) .... I was wrong, I admit it:) It won't be half the damage; this will only be the case if the vampires' damage is equal to the birds' damage. Then, the vampires will recover half the damage, and, in fact, lightning will deal zero damage to them. I overthought it:) My thought went too far and got lost) I apologize for confusing you.

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