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#467
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Well, if anything happens, don't blame me later. I've made my position clear, and, thinking rationally and considering previous games, it's clear that I wouldn't "reveal" myself as a Mafia member on the second day under any circumstances. But, I don't have time to explain myself to everyone and prove anything.

Execute the Master. And do it early.
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Hmm, okay, execute the Master since he wants it himself.

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I'm sitting here reading the whole thread from the beginning, so much interesting stuff!

P.S. Uran, you're a real gem, I'm ready to believe you 100%.

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Okay, the mafia are Fragment, Master, and Shaman.

Fragment was wriggling around with the execution of Ment, writing some nonsense about evidence, saying he doesn't like the connections there, then he supposedly searched for something himself, but in reality, he just quoted previous posts with evidence and cast his vote on "abstain" when it hardly mattered anymore.

The Master also latched onto this evidence, saying it doesn't apply to Ment, but my nonsense about Tsvetaeva appeals to him. There are already enough votes for execution, and he keeps digging into Tsvetaeva, and damn it, he's doing it with all his heart. He even found an even more absurd connection than I did. And as if he's offended by Ment: "This is some kind of nonsense!", "Hmm, he's giving away the mafia!", "The GM is making mistakes," etc... He went into his thinking room for a couple of hours... and in the end, he voted "no new information" (what the hell!). And yes, then he posted about whether Ment is mafia or town. And this post clearly contradicts his new post right after the newspaper.

Shaman is completely out of this world. And he's not so much based on his behavior (although we can talk about that too, but I'm too lazy), but rather based on the role table (naturally, my personal one, given that I know my role), he turns out to be mafia, because there are no other roles left for him.

So, that's it, we need to hang Fragment or Master first, but we need to choose correctly.
You're not making a very good table, go make some English tea, it will help you think more clearly.

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In the last newspaper, the block disappeared. It seems the mafia blocked the blocker. So, on the next night, we will be without a block, and now we are already without one of the healers...
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#469
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While there's still time, I'll answer a few questions:
b) It seems strange to me that Uran constantly gets the game rules mixed up, even though he thoroughly reviewed the entire setting and asked many questions before the game started. This can't help but raise some thoughts.
Constantly.
At least name two instances.

Those who need it will find it themselves. Even today you made a mistake – you looked for the cartographer's action in the newspaper, which isn't displayed. And I won't even mention previous days; there were tons of mistakes.
Mafu - absolutely unnecessary.
If your reasoning is that I deliberately, together with my partner, focus on this... Well, what can I do? With such logic, you won't get far.

In fact, it’s completely unnecessary for the town. Unless it's for particularly slow-witted people.
I have a question for you: Is Tox mafia or not?

I can't say anything about this because he was practically absent from the discussion. His unfulfilled promise to appear in the thread looks like something a member of the Mafia would do, but who knows what might have happened. One thing I can say for sure is that it's extremely important for the town that Tox turns out to be Mafia; otherwise, after my execution, the town risks being unable to execute another Mafia member the next day.
Tell me, what does this have to do with blocking?
Until you name specific peaceful roles that could belong to the blocked players, you don't have an argument.
Give specifics – who could they have been, and who couldn't they have been.

Considering the blocks on Rimpel and Vish on the first day, there are only one or two peaceful roles (cartographer, healer) between them and 3 Mafia members, meaning each has a higher chance of being Mafia than being peaceful. I really hope I won't have to explain this further, as we discussed it back on the first day.
In light of this, a logical question arises: why doesn't either of them suspect the other of being Mafia if they were both peaceful? Rimpel boasts about his "tab," but such a "tab" is worthless if it doesn't provide even basic information. That’s basically all there is to it.
Why am I, Master, not Mafia? This is what I want to read your answer for.
Because a master-mafioso will go after their teammates in order to win, rather than defend the first teammate from being lynched when the chances of convincing anyone are almost zero.

Oh, this town, it just can't play like that
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#470
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Master, you can't vote for yourself, change your vote, or you'll get a modkill.
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You cannot vote against yourself, Master.
You can.

Vote to execute MasteR - 5 votes (Yuuhei, RiMpel2, Nейra Drake, Heroist, MasteR)

6 votes are required for execution.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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Oh yeah, this is HeroesWorld
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#473
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HW - anything is possible!
In the last newspaper, the block is missing. Looks like the mafia players blocked the blocker. So for the next night we'll be without a block, and now we're already down one of the healers...
wtf? Which rule states that a mafia block on a town blocker makes him not show up?
If the mafia had successfully blocked Hjalljot, we would have simply seen one blocked person in the newspaper.
So it's one of two things: either this role was Vistrit's (because to this day I have no clear idea what Vis was), or its holder somehow missed a turn. For example, one of the passive players could have simply not sent their Night Action to Neb. And given that the newspaper was missing from the thread for a very long time, this thought might not be without merit.
Discuss?
And yeah, why is it so boring? After the successful execution of negativity, did everyone decide everything is fine now and just give up on the game?
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#474
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In short, we execute the Master; we won’t execute anyone else anyway.
I'm too f*cking old
To sell my soul
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I don't quite understand, where are my defenders? Who's going to pull me out of this loop? Ugh, I ended up with such useless guys on my team, they can't even protect me properly. Not like me!
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You are simply not needed by anyone.
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You're just not needed by anyone.

What a pity.

Ah, you guys, my teammates and I would sit up all night, coming up with different conspiracy theories and cunning, deceitful plans to frame Uranus, Rimpel / Vish, and Shaman, but you didn't fall for it.

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You can't fight against ology.
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they also had to stay there during the day.
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#479
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Where are the other votes? What if I decide to withdraw mine?

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Just kidding, I won't withdraw it. The city didn't deserve to win.
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#480
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Ah, my teammates and I used to stay up all night, coming up with different conspiracy theories and cunning, deceitful plans to undermine Uranus, Rimpel/Vish, and Shaman, but you didn't fall for it.
We should have been doing that during the day too.
I already thought the game was over and the post-game discussion had begun.
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Well, I've made up my mind about the players and I'm ready to share my thoughts. First, Uran. Uran suffers from obsessive dictatorship. This could be a good thing, but at the same time, he operates with pseudo-logic, false premises, and presents players with versions of varying degrees of doubt, based on something in his head (or in the Mafia chat), as an undeniable truth. He also tries hard to convince everyone of his peacefulness and righteousness, and even suggests that others come up with arguments in his favor, and even labels those who don't as Mafia. This is not just "bad rhetoric," as Revan said, it's not how the game is played. I don't believe that a peaceful Uran could have such flawed rhetoric. The only assumption that could justify him is that Uran has gone off the rails due to constantly playing Mafia, especially considering that he mentioned he is currently playing several Mafia games at the same time. However, I doubt that his sanity is impaired, so... Second, Rimpel. On the very first day, a significant number of peaceful roles were stripped from him. It's interesting to see his interaction with Uran that day, as well as what he initially wrote about him, later covering it up with an excuse about an error in the number of Mafia roles, which is very strange, since Uran always carefully reads the setup beforehand and asks questions about all the non-obvious nuances. I don't remember if Uran asked that specific question before the game, but that's not the point. In the previous game, I noticed that he might intentionally get confused about the details. But I digress. So, on the first day, Uran started to nitpick at Rimpel, and then demonstratively stated that he was not a pair with him. This, by the way, also happened with Ment later. And in general, he talked about non-pairs often enough that it's hard to believe this is just a ruse. Ment was already in a bad position, and eliminating his teammate in this case is also in line with Uran's behavior, again, remembering the previous game. He started to unconditionally whitewash Rimpel, although according to the newspapers, he was still very likely Mafia, and even became worse after Vistrit's death. Moreover, as an excuse, he attributes to him the solution of a clue, although what did Rimpel do? First, he noticed that you can go directly from Whitehorse to Jack London. Thus, he himself first pointed out what he later blamed Master for. How is this to be understood? Then, the Mafia probably realized that the clue was easy and would be solved, and it was necessary to either obscure it with red herrings or lead to its solution and whitewash themselves at the expense of Ment. Rimpel first acted according to the first plan and threw in an obvious fake on Heroist, and then on Ment. But then, suddenly, Nefela appeared and thwarted the plan by correctly solving the first clue. It became clear that Ment was in a very bad position, and therefore it was necessary to implement plan B. Notice how, as soon as Nefela posted, Uran and Rimpel immediately voted in sync. They probably didn't even bother to check the solution, because they knew it was correct. Third, Neyra. It seems that there isn't much to say about her; her posts are quite peaceful, but there are a few points that seriously reduce her status. Uran also unconditionally whitewashes her; it's unclear why, since there is nothing about her in the newspapers. Maybe it's because of the peacefulness of her posts? But this is like Uran saying, "I'll just ride on the overall peacefulness of the posts" x). However, in the case of Neyra, I wouldn't trust her just because of that – it's too well-remembered from the hundredth Mafia game, where the attitude towards her in the thread was the same, but there was no information in the newspapers. Heroist, I think, will agree with me. But maybe Uran found out that Neyra is a town member from the results of his role cards? This is also strange, because I doubt that he could have received results that would 100% whitewash three players – Rimpel, Neyra, and Heroist. Considering Uran's Mafia role and Heroist's town role (which stems from the situation with Rimpel), I see the following situation: the core Mafia (Uran) pushes a passive town, convincing the town of his peacefulness, while surrounding himself with close "trusted" people – the three mentioned above, plus Nefela was also there earlier. Two Mafia to two town members, it's beautiful, it's good. Conclusion: either Uran or Rimpel should be executed, but definitely not Master. Which of the two? Uran is very dangerous as Mafia, but there is no newspaper information about him. There are almost no peaceful roles left for Rimpel, so statistically, he is very likely to be Mafia, even without all these points in the thread. So, execute Rimpel, and put Uran and Neyra in the block/on the chain at night, and we'll find out about them at the same time.