Posts from Mafia 103. Ice and Ash Auto-translated

Regarding the Master, I still have some thoughts, but I'll give the others a chance to speak. Whoever names the correct version gets a plus, and whoever fails in this question might get lynched.

And of course, no unnecessary lynching. We have enough information in the thread to justify a lynching, especially since hints about the role of the lynched person should be more obvious than not. Lynching in the light is stupid, and I don't believe that there will be 2 peaceful players lynched in the current situation, when the Mafia role of Ment is known.

Yeah, the Mafia players acted quite predictably and logically, seemingly targeting someone who was almost guaranteed to be a Town member.
I agree that someone needs to be eliminated today; the question is, who exactly? I hope someone is keeping track and creating a list, which will help reduce the number of possible Town roles among the main suspects. However, with these potential misdirections and the possibility of death, simply killing someone based on this information might not be enough.

Yeah, my situation isn't great, especially since Ment turned out to be Mafia. I had a similar experience in one of Shaman's Mafia games, as far as I remember. Well, I'll share my current suspicions about who I think is Mafia.

1) As strange as it sounds, I suspect Uran is Mafia, even despite what happened yesterday. Here's why:

a) It's hard to imagine a less likely pairing than Uran and Ment, but why emphasize their "incompatibility" so much:

Well, Ment, it's already obvious that we're not a good match, so I recommend you talk more about other players when discussing this. For example, you could talk about how active Mafia players are in the game on average, i.e., how many messages they write compared to the average number of messages written by peaceful players.

It's already obvious, so why highlight it so much? It all seemed like a performance designed to create the impression: "If Ment is Mafia, then I definitely am not. Get it?"

b) I find it strange that Uran keeps getting the rules of the game wrong, even though he reviewed the entire setting several times before the game and asked a lot of questions. This can't help but raise some suspicions.

2) The second Mafia player is likely either Rimpel or Vishmaster – based on the blocks. If I'm not mistaken about who has been eliminated, there's only one, maybe two, peaceful roles left between them. This leads to two possible scenarios:

a) I'm peaceful and got blocked along with another player. There's one (maximum two) peaceful role between us and three Mafia roles. The peaceful role is me, which means the other person is very likely Mafia. What should I do in this situation? Push the other person towards being hanged, or at least try to get them nominated for execution.
b) I'm Mafia and got blocked with a peaceful player. It's not in my best interest to have this peaceful player hanged, because then there won't be any roles left for me. It's better to let it go.

As far as I can remember, Rimpel didn't have any particular suspicions about Vish (I might be wrong, I didn't have time to read the entire thread carefully), and Vish didn't say anything at all. So, who is more likely to be Mafia?

3) Shaman is also among my suspects. When I started looking at the clue about Heroist, he seemed to perk up:

Let Master check, just in case there's a Berber bomb.

expecting that I might provoke a vote to remove Ment. But it's good that I checked the feedback from the second clue about Heroist instead of taking it at face value.

Of course, I'm not claiming that my assumptions are the absolute truth, but for now, there's nothing else but speculation.

I can only follow the game in short bursts, so I can't properly analyze the clues or read the thread carefully. I tried to at least check the connections in the clues. The first clue about Ment was solved nicely, but there are about 10 such "nice" Berbers in every game, while there's only one correct one. The second clue was too vague, so I didn't believe it could be real and didn't want to be one of the people who voted to execute an innocent player.

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By the way, my vote in the hanging didn't really matter, and I could have easily added or not added my vote. The Mafia needed to remove 2 votes to prevent the execution. That would have been equivalent to a defeat.

b) I find it strange that Uran constantly gets the rules of the game mixed up, especially since he thoroughly reviewed the entire setting and asked a lot of questions before the game started. This can't help but lead to certain thoughts.

Constantly. Just name two instances.

It should be obvious anyway, why highlight it like that?

Mafu - absolutely no need.
If you have such reasoning that I, together with my partner, intentionally emphasize this... Well, there's nothing I can do about it; with such logic, you won't get far.
I have a question for you - is Tox a mafia member or not?
I understand that this is ambiguous, but at least give me an approximate answer.
Tell me, what do the blocks have to do with it? Until you name specific peaceful roles that the blocked players could have, you don't have an argument.
Give me specifics, who could the blocked player have been, and who couldn't they have been.

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And Master, the first question is still valid:
Why am I, Master, not a mafia member? I want to read your answer to that.

Hi. I have so many fragments of the picture swirling in my head; I'm going to take a look at them and probably create a table.

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Btw, Uran, the third ND checker isn't displaying anything.

Okay, I’ll find out who shot Nefelu and they will face the consequences.

I'm sitting here reading the entire thread from the beginning; there's so much interesting stuff!

P.S. Uran, you're a real gem, I'm 100% ready to believe you.

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Basically, the Mafia are Fragment, Master, and Shaman.

Fragment was wriggling around with the execution of Ment, writing some nonsense about evidence, saying he doesn't like the connections there, and then he supposedly searched for something himself, but in reality, he just quoted previous posts with evidence and cast his vote on

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, when it hardly mattered anymore.

Master also latched onto this evidence, saying it doesn't apply to Ment, but my nonsense about Tsvetaeva appeals to him. There are already enough votes for the execution, and he keeps digging for something related to Tsvetaeva, and, damn it, he's doing it with all his heart. He found an even more absurd connection than I did. And as if he's offended by Ment: "This is some kind of nonsense!", "Hm, he's leaking information to the Mafia!", "The GM is making mistakes," etc... He went into his room to think for a couple of hours... and in the end, he voted for NNV (

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). And yes, then he posted about whether Ment is Mafia or a Town member. Moreover, this post clearly contradicts his new post immediately after the newspaper.

Shaman is completely out of this world. And he's not so much suspicious based on his behavior (although we could talk about that, but I'm too lazy), but rather based on the role chart (naturally, my personal one, given that I know my role), he turns out to be Mafia, because there are no other roles left for him.

So, that's it, we need to hang Fragment or Master first, but we need to choose correctly.

Execute the Master.

For some reason, I started thinking about Arandor.

Overall, I read through the thread, and while I don't fully understand everything yet, the most likely candidates for town roles seem to be Uran, Rimpel, Fragment, and Neyra. Revan and Heroist are unclear, but they're likely town roles as well, while Master, Shaman, and Tox are more likely to be mafia. I won't rush to vote yet; I'll think about it some more.

come on, let's hang the Masters, and we'll see what happens next.

Basically, the mafia are Fragment, Master, and Shaman.

Well, I basically agree. As an alternative, one of them could be a townie, and instead of him, Toxya could be the mafia. On the other hand, if someone is really invested and that's why they're so focused on the game, I can understand and sympathize. I used to do the same thing with games, and I'm very ashamed of it. I would really like to hear from each of the people mentioned above so that I don't accidentally eliminate someone good.
Vishmaster, Revan, and Heroist are more likely to be townies than mafia. I won't even mention Uran and Rimp.
Execute Master. He suspiciously tried to defend Mental. And his current attack on Uran seems unclear.

Oh, you're already awake? Then it's time for me to go to sleep.

Well, if it’s 10:30 AM for me, then you probably should have gone to bed a long time ago.

Well, let's execute the Master. In principle, we don't have a choice, and out of all the candidates, he's the most suitable. Although I wouldn't be surprised if there's a mistake; so many games have been ruined because of an inactive Mafia member, so nothing surprising will happen.
However, I don't participate much in the discussions, to be honest, so I won't blame anyone here.
Well, and maybe the Master can somehow convince us there, I don't know. Although it seems unlikely, but who knows. He's just behaving too much like a Mafia member, as it seems to me. Too much.