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Offline XEL
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XEL, everything is fine! ;) I'm all for free communication.
Regarding the topic: Is it not ingenious to swindle so many people?
And not to steal like the others, but just to trick them... =)
In the mid-1990s, scams were commonplace. Mavrodi simply found himself in a favorable situation and managed to take advantage of it. But now, to swindle so many people would be ingenious.

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Really??? Why is that? Is there any data on widespread mental retardation among maniacs?:eek:
Don't show off with your "unconventional views." A person who kills or rapes without reason (with reason - a moral monster) cannot be normal.

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I imagine: Mavrodi's reckoning. As is known, Mavrodi paid a huge compensation and was sentenced to 4 years. He is imprisoned. And suddenly it turns out that some prison authority was involved in MMM. Mavrodi's life becomes interesting. :D
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Stop showing off
Watch your language, my boy. You can throw fingers around in the appropriate company; speak more politely with me.
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with your "non-standard views". A person who kills or rapes without reason (and if there is a reason—a moral freak) cannot be normal.
Now then. My views (if you read my posts, you've realized all this yourself, of course... or were there too many letters?..) are not non-standard at all. I wrote that the degree of mental development of scumbags—people who cause harm to others who are innocent—cannot admire me by definition.
Now explain two things to me:
-where did I claim that a maniac is normal;
-what exactly is the standard point of view on the connection between intelligence and the vileness of the subject?
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What exactly is the question? Mavrodi is undoubtedly a criminal. He violated both human laws and divine laws (if God exists, of course). Back then, it was no more difficult to deceive economically illiterate people who trusted television than it was to take a candy from a child. Do you call a mass swindle of kindergarteners for sweets genius??? It would be better to read the definition of this concept in a dictionary, and such actions are called something else entirely - "fraud on a particularly large scale."
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Choose your words carefully, young man. You can throw insults around in the appropriate company, but speak to me more politely.
Don't talk to me like that. I don't want to argue with you, but what else can you call the phrase "young man" when referring to someone you don't even know, besides showing off? Don't take an example from the idiot, Vidgi.
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Don't talk to me like that. I don't want to argue with you, but what else can you call the phrase "boy" when referring to someone you don't even know, besides showing off? Don't take Vigi, the idiot, as an example.
XEL, don't try to fool me.
You called my posts "showing off" before I used the phrase "my boy." And I'll note that after your disrespectful treatment of me, you have no right to expect the respect that I automatically show to any forum member. Unless, of course, you apologize for your words... but judging by the fact that you didn't even notice who "started it first," it would be naive to expect that.

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Back then, it was no harder to deceive economically illiterate and trusting people who watched television than it was to take a candy from a child. You call the mass swindling of kindergarten teachers for sweets "genius"? You should read the definition of this concept in a dictionary, and such actions are called something else entirely - "large-scale fraud."
Fireball, in the absence of a reputation system, I'll give you a sacredly banal "+1"...:smile01:
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Once, a pirate said to me: "To make money, all means are good." But the thing is, you have to rob those who actually have money.
И страхи стали реальностью,а боль и страдания - наградой.Хотя и не благословенным началом,все готовятся к последнему СУДУ!
Днём и ночью от наших тел,можно слышать крики боли,из-за накопленных нашими душами грехов...
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What exactly is the question? Mavrodi is definitely a criminal. He violated both human laws and divine laws (if God exists, of course). Back then, it was no more difficult to deceive economically illiterate people who trusted television than it was to take a candy from a child. Do you call a mass swindle of kindergarteners for sweets genius??? It would be better to read the definition of this concept in a dictionary, and such actions are called something else entirely - "fraud on a particularly large scale."

I agree with Slonysh!!! +1 to you, Fireball.
Клан"Yan-luo-Wan"

Зло летает на крыльях, добро ползает как черепаха.
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One pirate once told me:
"To make money, all means are good."
Exactly, pirate. And pirates were only brave and noble in books, and there were only 2-3 of them in the entire crew.
But you had to rob those who had money.
There was one such person: he robbed the rich and gave to the poor, his name was Rob (Rob in Hood). But he didn't live long. A couple of years after the well-known events (how many movies have been made about him), a treacherous nun found him.
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Maybe Chikatilo also had extraordinary mental abilities, for example. But I don't have enough misanthropy to admire them. I just can't.
That's absolutely true.
And who do we choose as heroes and role models? It's easy to talk about this when nothing like that has happened to you. Imagine, a person buys a car, comes to pick it up, and it's gone. Will he shout, "Wow, dude! You're amazing, you're a genius, how did you manage that!" Or, let's say, a person has a company, he comes to work, and it's no longer his. He won't be overjoyed and rush to the new owner for an autograph. In my opinion, that beautiful chair that shudders with tension is crying for Mavrodi. He played on people's trust, and they just gave him a fine, a slap on the wrist, saying, "Don't do it again!"
Or, the measure of genius increases with scale. If he killed one person, they'll call him a murderer; if he killed millions, they'll call him a hero? A swindler, yes, he cheated everyone, yes, but to admire him, that's too much.
Chikatilo was a serial killer, and by definition, he couldn't have had a developed brain.
But that's wrong. In fact, all serial killers have unconventional minds, not devoid of genius. The thing is, they often have a discrepancy in the number of chromosomes.
Просто еще один
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Hey, Masha! Slonysh and Hel, let's not start that old song again! Hel, if you have issues with Vidzha, it doesn't mean you need to bring it up in completely inappropriate topics. Now, Sandro and Slonysh, maniacs have unconventional thinking, and while it helps them hide from the law, it's directed towards destructive behavior, and destructive behavior, by definition, cannot inspire respect. You could say that stirring up the whole country is also a destructive act, but that's not entirely accurate. Unconventional thinking doesn't necessarily mean a normal mind; many insane people also have unconventional thinking. People in creative professions must have unconventional thinking, but the classical view of the world still prevails. The view of the world and reason are slightly different things. Damn, it turned out a bit
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The question itself isn't quite well-phrased. Criminal OR genius? IMHO, one doesn't preclude the other; there are plenty of intelligent people in the criminal world. He is definitely a criminal, and the number of deaths and ruined lives on his conscience is greater than all the serial killers combined. I also don't understand why this scam was allowed to continue with the full connivance of government agencies. Apparently, Mavrodi shared with those who needed to be. They simply let him deceive people and make a lot of money from it – he wouldn't have been able to do it on his own. Mavrodi is just a puppet... and we may never even know who the puppeteers are.
Белый и Пушистый! Иногда.....
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Now Sandro and Slonishu – the maniacs have unconventional thinking.
Saruman, why are you all so fixated on maniacs...? It was a metaphor, just a metaphor.
Instead, I could have used as an example a teacher who brilliantly knows her subject, is aware of all the latest research in her field, and can advise on any issue... but with whom you can only get a good grade by bribing her. I wouldn't be able to admire her professionalism, even though it objectively exists.
I assume that now they will start explaining to me about teachers...:smile39:
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They will start! This is also an example of a difference in perspective and mindset. I could respect purely professional knowledge, but this IN NO WAY JUSTIFIES bribery, and if I were aware of such a side, I would naturally have a negative attitude towards it. Besides, the student is in a subordinate position to the teacher and needs a good grade in any case, but no one forced anyone to join Mavrodi.
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Saruman, you haven't been in these people's shoes, so you have no right to judge them. From your lofty position of 18 years and your level of awareness, you, of course, believe that you would never fall for such a thing.
But in general, I'll note that by calling scammers "swindlers," we subconsciously justify them, as if blaming the victims of fraud: they're just fools, that's all. There's no need to turn everything upside down. People were swindled – it's their own fault; they shouldn't have listened to the eloquent swindler and his advertisement. A girl was raped – it's her own fault; she shouldn't have been walking home late. A person's car was stolen – well, why did he leave his expensive car in the parking lot; he was asking for it. An entrepreneur was killed – ah, he was making a lot of money, so he deserved it.
What kind of lumpen ideology is this?! We justify criminals with any arguments. You might think that the defenders of Mavrodi see their place not among the majority of relatively honest people ("fools"), but among those who exploit this population.
Thank goodness that in our courts, the argument "the victims are just fools, no one forced them to believe the swindler" is not yet considered grounds for an acquittal...
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