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Tournament Ended

Overview Participants Reports

Announcement

Scorpiona

2/4/2016 5:26 PM UTC

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"only XL-3"

The winner of the tournament will receive a medal for their avatar and a ticket to the FB tournament :smile49:

I. Rules and Templates.

1. Game version. The tournament is held on version SoD 3.2(4.0) + HD mod version 4.1 (or the latest actual version) + HW_rulez 1.38 (when a new актуальный patch is released, this rule item is subject to change).
2. XL templates: 8mm6a,8хм12а, 6LM10a, 8xm8a, Spider. Template selection is standard draft; the red player starts with the first pick.
3. Castle selection: random pair + trade
The host generates a pair of random castles using a special button. Immediately after generation, each player can request a regeneration once for 500 coins as compensation to their opponent. If at least one castle repeats during regeneration, that same player may (but is not obligated to) request a free regeneration until a new pair of castles appears.
4. After trading for castles, there is a trade for color.
5. Total number of restarts (113), i.e., 111+111+111, 111+112, 113
6. Time limit per turn with chess timer - 21:00+08:00+01:15
7. Roads are medium and fast
8. The option to rebuild the Guild of Mages is enabled.
9. Timeframe for one game: 2 weeks

II. Regulations

Stage 1 group stage

Two players who score the most points advance from the group.
In case of an equal number of points, places are distributed according to additional indicators (in order of priority):
1. Berger coefficient.
2. Head-to-head result.
3. Points scored in the game "weigh" more than those in technical defeats.
4. If it is impossible to determine which players will advance to the playoffs based on previous indicators, a scheme of transition games will be offered to the players. At present, it is impossible to foresee all possible combinations of results. Therefore, the final scheme will be developed based on the situation that develops in the groups at the end of the stage.

Victory - 3 points; defeat - 0; draw - 1 point (counted at the 211+ stage at the discretion of the organizers)

The group stage ends on May 31, 2016. (no saves or replays will be accepted, results will be posted based on submitted tournament reports)

Stage 2 Olympic system

June 1-3, 2016, the playoff draw will take place.

Two players from each group are randomly assigned to the bracket, with 1st and 2nd places.
Olympic BO3.

III. Organizational issues

1. The tournament begins on February 19-26, 2016 (determination of the final regulations of the tournament, drawing of groups)
2. This is an official tournament
3. The tournament is held according to Rules for organizing, conducting, and participating in online HOMM3 tournaments
4. Tournament host - Scorpiona (ICQ 469326983), organizational issues - rebellious (ICQ 345870761).
5. Tournament judge – Dirty_Player (ICQ 408722873)
6. Organizers reserve the right to refuse participation in the tournament to a user without publicly explaining the reasons.
7. The winner of the tournament will receive a medal for their avatar and a ticket to the FB tournament :smile20:
Winners of past tournaments:

"only XL" AlexTheGreat[/B]

"only XL-2" Maretti

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In reply to Wicc

Toganash

6/18/2016 7:31 PM UTC

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I played the first and second weeks quite well. On the third, I made some mistakes and lost 2 angels, took the Dragon Utopia, got a blue hat, and finished building Mage Guild 5. I went after my opponent, who had managed to take my 4 Castles while I was running around the treasure zone and for the Dragon Utopia. After that, I almost messed up, but everything had been bad from the start and the opponent surrendered.

ICQ: 564224919

Toganash

Faction Инферно / Inferno

Start Hero Кэлх / Calh

Main Hero Пайра / Pyre

Победа / Def

Redwhait

Faction Сопряжение / Conflux

Start Hero Кальт / Kalt

Main Hero Сольмир / Solmyr

Map Template: 8xm12a
Game Length: 142 days
Game Date: 6/18/2016
Reported: 6/18/2016 7:31 PM

Toganash 1637 → 1658 +21 ↑

Redwhait 1806 → 1785 -21 ↓

Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 6/18/2016 7:46 PM

In reply to Toganash

Redwhait

6/18/2016 7:46 PM UTC

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Toganash

I played the first and second weeks quite well. On the third, I lost 2 angels due to some stupid mistakes, took the Dragon Utopia, got the blue hat, and finished building GM 5. I went after the opponent, who managed to take my 4 Castles while I was running around the treasure zone and for the Dragon Utopia. After that, I almost messed up, but everything had been bad from the start and the opponent surrendered.

The generator trolled me hard.
There was 1 rest left, an external dwelling of air elementals, 2 pillars, Solmir and Alamar, 2 roads—you simply cannot have a reset like that.
At 113 it turns out there's a block on both roads in the following zones (as if we were playing 8x8 :mad: ). In one, there are 20+ diamonds and no other way through; in the other, 20+ stacks of genies, but there is a passage far into the snows, although you still have to fight through 20+ elves there :D
By the end of the first week, I finally got out of the snows, but only buildings 1-3 were built at home. I decided to go for GM, but resources turned out to be very tight as well. I snatched 2 computers, found a gold dragon in the refuge and went with it to snatch towns from Toga. I didn't take mana with me, so I had to struggle a bit, but log + boots + fast roads did their job and I think I pushed him out of the center. Also, from 2 obelisks, I found the spot to bury the grail in the underground :cool: and started digging to place it at my native computer, which had already built birds. From that same refuge on the 3rd, I got another 2 fire birds on the 3rd :D. On the first attempt, 3 heroes dug past it, and then Toga bursts in with control and takes everything back, kills all the losers and shows 40 ducks and 50 demons + some small stuff, but also shows shackles and the cloak of denial; after that, I just kept running by inertia since I could have surrendered. I rebuilt GM 5 twice and they gave me trash resources, down to 0, and I even sold all the scrolls. At 141 Toga messed up with Pirka on the birds, and if there had been resources for one more rebuild, I would have gotten him and killed him since DD was given next, but I lacked both the timer and the resources to carry out this plan.
Thanks for the game.

Dirty_Player

6/20/2016 3:07 PM UTC

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After reviewing the save files and ICQ logs, the decision has been made to validate the result of the FireToSky vs. Mizrael game and reinstate FireToSky in the tournament under my responsibility. Please update the bracket.

In reply to Dirty_Player

Dima Surmay

6/20/2016 3:31 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

After reviewing the save files and ICQ logs, a decision has been made to validate the result of the FireToSky vs. Mizrael game and reinstate FireToSky in the tournament under my responsibility. Please update the bracket.

I'm curious, what exactly did you examine? As far as I know, they played the game within the allotted time, and FireToSky simply didn't submit a report.

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Dirty_Player

6/20/2016 3:47 PM UTC

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Dima Surmay

It's interesting what you were investigating there. As far as I know, they completed the task on time, and the Customs Service simply didn't write a report.

You probably weren't informed. Specifically, only the dates of the saves and their existence.

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Dima Surmay

6/20/2016 3:58 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

I guess you weren't informed. Specifically, regarding the dates of saves and their existence.

Am I the only one who didn't know? I believe the site community has the right to know the reasons why some people are being let off the hook for their violations.

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Nitro

6/20/2016 4:12 PM UTC

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Dima Surmay

Was I the only one who didn't know? I believe the website community has the right to know the reasons why certain violations are being overlooked.

I think that the organizer and judges have the right to make organizational decisions (or cancel them) independently, without consulting you. It seems the community's opinions are divided?:)

ICQ 627769385

In reply to Nitro

Dima Surmay

6/20/2016 4:24 PM UTC

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Nitro

I think that the organizer and judges have the right to make organizational decisions (or cancel them) independently, without consulting you. It seems that the community's opinions are divided?:)

No one wrote anything about advice! You may think that the host and judges can do anything they want in their tournament without explaining the reasons – that is, of course, your right, and perhaps theirs too, but I think that this is wrong.

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skd

6/20/2016 4:28 PM UTC

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Overall, the solution is very radical by HeroesWorld standards.
Players who disagree with the decision can appeal it to the AC.
Redwight and Toga finished their game the next day.
In the Machiavelli - Gunnar match, I am sure it was not played, as Gunnar disappeared.

No mandatory dates for playing/finishing the game were set.
The tournament is not run using the Swiss system. And a penalty of the type that Vic, for example, imposes appears to me the most logical - a penalty in the form of the right for the future opponent to choose the template and color.

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Dirty_Player

6/20/2016 4:44 PM UTC

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Dima Surmay

Was I the only one who didn't know? I believe the site community has the right to know the reasons why someone's violations are being overlooked.

I am always ready to explain my decisions, but not when they are asked in such a manner.

Dima Surmay

Interesting, what did you study?

The answer matches the question.

skd

No mandatory dates were set for playing/finishing the game.

The problem is that no one even asked for them. People simply waited for the deadlines to pass, and then they started to take action, even a warning post didn't prompt them to move and inform the organizer/judge about the situation.

Sanin

6/20/2016 5:56 PM UTC

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Aiwe

Extending the group stage for a month is fine, but extending it by just one day is out of the question.

Who extended the group stage for a month? So far, this tournament is adhering to the schedule. Yes, compared to the three-week extension in the Battle of Mages and the traditionally flexible deadlines in the favorites, this strictness seems unusual, but this approach should be welcomed.

Nitro

I believe that the organizers and judges have the right to make organizational decisions (or cancel them) independently, without consulting you. It seems the community is divided?:)

Any decision made by the organizers (or the cancellation of a decision) always affects all participating players in the tournament. Now, for example, in a similar situation in the future, a participant may not submit a report on time and may not provide information to the organizers – why not, if that's allowed?

ICQ 423164784

Diabler

6/20/2016 11:15 PM UTC

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I don't know if there were groups of 7 people, but the tournament started on February 26th. You had to play at least 5 games, with 2 weeks allotted for each game (2.5 months + possible extensions due to CIS countries). I don't know where you got May 1st from, but the deadline was around the 30th from the very beginning.

Toganash

6/21/2016 8:23 AM UTC

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No complaints about Vanya, I'm just stating the facts: First, the organizer makes a decision based on pure analysis: no report submitted by the deadline – disqualification. Well, since everyone was treated the same, you can only complain for the sake of complaining. Then, a decision is made that a delayed report for a completed game is not "being lazy," as some here wrote. But playing a game half a day late and writing a report for the game in the evening of the same day is, of course, unforgivable. Even if the game was started a long time ago, and one of the participants had things to do (who, by the way, is a member of the Arbitration Committee, and based on whose words I believed the deadline was until June 19th, which Reddit is ready to confirm). And I'm curious how one of the judges can unilaterally change the previous decision without a collegial, official decision. Maybe I can find a judge who will vouch for me? Reddit, would you agree? Or are some people more equal than others. The link at the very beginning of the tournament about strict deadlines is not the same as an interim summary. In the first case, it's about simply fulfilling obligations, in the second – about acting in good faith. And even if we follow the above, there are still those who are more equal among equals. Regarding the group stage, if I'm not mistaken, the deadlines were changed there, as far as I remember, they just deleted the old information and replaced it with new information in the post. I say this because I remember trying to play faster and seeing tighter deadlines, and then suddenly it turned out that I had a month left after all the games (they added new participants)

ICQ: 564224919

In reply to Dima Surmay

Dark

6/21/2016 10:15 AM UTC

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Dima Surmay

It's interesting what you were investigating there? As far as we know, they completed the task on time, and the Customs Service simply didn't write a report.

5. Tournament judge – Dirty_Player (ICQ 408722873) (once)

There's a clear violation by Vanya (twice)

Judge > mistake (three)

:rolleyes:

лето 2012.

In reply to Toganash

Scorpiona

6/21/2016 7:33 PM UTC

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I'm writing this specifically for Toganash:
1. I am at fault – I didn't keep track of the tournament deadlines. All deadlines are clearly stated from the beginning of the tournament.
2. I am at fault – I didn't inform the organizers about the ongoing game and my plans to finish it. (The organizer is not obligated to personally chase after you and remind you that you need to finish the game; it is your responsibility to finish the game on time.)
3. The tournament judge is Dirty_Player; that's what judges are for – to make decisions, which may differ from the opinions of others, including yours.
In your case, even the Appeals Committee (AK) won't help, including Redwhite, as one of the AK judges.
4. Regarding the group stage deadlines, it's just "LOL" if you're not good at math; it's not my fault.
(Hint: in a group of 7 people, there are 6 games * 2 weeks + 1 week for replays in the groups; take a calendar and count:smile12:)

Conclusion: if you messed up yourself, you shouldn't blame others:smile04:

P.S.: In the previous tournament, players were disqualified even from the second round of the playoffs. Warn the organizers about your problems in advance, as Satyr did, instead of making a fuss after the organizers have made a decision.

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