Posts from [POLL] Who is to blame, and what should be done?
Who is to blame, and what should we do?
Regarding the issue:
1. I watched the game between Reddit and Lizard from start to finish because Reddit was sitting to my left, and after my turn, Reddit's turn usually began, so I know the game very well.
Furthermore, until the battle ended, in which Lizard didn't even lose, the battle wasn't over because he could have bought his way out, continued fighting, and left Reddit's troops in a terrible state, after which they would run around and cast spells at each other, dealing 5-10 damage to each other. In that case, the game would have continued for a very long time.
2. As I mentioned earlier, I was sitting nearby. After Kostya stood up and left, shaking Reddit's hand, I thought that was it. But the next day, after breakfast, while in the streamers' room with Reddit, I learned that Lizard was declared the winner.
3. I think everyone who was there would agree that Kostya deserved the victory. Therefore, what happened was nothing more than a coincidence because Reddit was one of the contenders for the gold, but he lost all motivation after a disappointing defeat in the first round. And this, not something else (in my opinion), is what led to the current situation, which we are now discussing.
4. The system should be FDE (First Defeated Elimination) with a large number of free slots in the first round so that each player has a chance to win the tournament, even after losing in the first round. In that case, Reddit would definitely play to win.
5. And furthermore, Lizard shouldn't have played against Reddit (a loser) in the second round (just because that's how it was drawn). With all due respect to all the participants, Reddit was the strongest player among the losers after the first round.
6. I spoke with many participants about the tournament system, and I agree that there was a lack of time and other issues. Therefore, I think Kirill's desire to develop a set of rules and create a stricter schedule is correct, and I fully support it.
7. And perhaps the last thing: DO NOT JUDGE, AND YOU WILL NOT BE JUDGED!!! And if anyone has the right to judge the players, it is only the PARTICIPANTS OF THE TOURNAMENT (who may have been indirectly affected by this), but not the masses of people who were not there, did not pay the entry fee, did not participate in the games, but consider their opinion important enough to post it on 20 pages in 2 threads (nonsense).
P.S. As a person who was there, participated, and saw everything with my own eyes (specifically the games, the tension, and the atmosphere), I believe the matter is closed. Lizard is the CHAMPION, and most importantly, I repeat, he deserved this title this year!
Seeing you here gives the impression that the CIS championship is some kind of Masonic lodge.
Come and join, admission is free!
Exactly, and if you don't show up and join, you don't have a right to vote. It's funny.
I'm building a house, and you've never been to the construction site, but you're saying that the house is bad and poorly made. But how can you assess the quality or a particular situation when you only hear about it from other people who haven't been there, haven't seen it, and haven't heard about it, and yet they all feel obligated to express their opinion and completely criticize it.
"Don't wade into the water if you don't know the ford." (Russian proverb).
Exactly, because it turns into a situation like this:
I'm building a house, and you've never been to a construction site, but you're saying the house is terrible and poorly made. But how can you assess the quality or a particular situation when you only hear about it from people who haven't been there, haven't seen it, and haven't heard about it, yet they all feel obligated to express their opinion and completely criticize it.
"Don't wade into the water if you don't know the ford." (Russian proverb).
What house, what water, what ford? You yourself write that you lost, shook hands (respectfully acknowledged defeat), went away, thought about it, and offered money for the win (respectful and honest, in your opinion?).
Exactly, because it turns into a situation like this:
I'm building a house, and you've never been to a construction site, but you're saying the house is bad and poorly made. But how can you assess the quality or a particular situation when you only hear about it from people who haven't been there, haven't seen it, and haven't heard about it, and yet they all feel obligated to express their opinion and completely condemn it.
"Don't wade into the water if you don't know the ford." (Russian proverb).
What kind of argument is that, comparing a house to water with a ford? You yourself wrote that you lost, shook hands (respectfully acknowledged the defeat), and then offered money for the win (respectful and honest, according to you?).
The result of the situation is that all participants in the event agreed that it would be this way and not another, because read the posts from the tournament participants; no one is writing posts like: deprive one of the championship, put the second in a circle of condemnation, etc.
Everyone who participated was satisfied, and regarding the criticism and trolling about the 21st Arch in the mine, the guys already got their fill.
Just understand one simple thing: you can't divide everything into black and white; the situation is quite ambiguous because there are many factors for and against.
The result of the situation is that all participants in the event agreed that it would be this way and not another, because read what the participants of the tournament write – no one is posting things like: deprive one of the championship, put the second in a circle of condemnation, etc.
Everyone who participated was satisfied, and regarding the condemnation and trolling about the 21st Arch in the mine, they got enough of it.
Well, and yes, in my opinion, the main mistake was made in the last round - after Aive's victory, he should have been explained the political necessity of selling the game to Hell. Expecting him to figure it out on his own is hardly reasonable, but the judges and organizers could have certainly figured it out, they've been doing this for years.
All that remains is to explain to Hell the political necessity of buying the game from Aive. Frankly, I didn't expect to see such nonsense from you.
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alex_nv wrote: Наконец то нормальная игра с открытием половины карты.
All that remains is to explain to Hell the political necessity of buying the game from Ive. Honestly, I didn't expect to see such nonsense from you.
Yes, Hell also needed to be explained to. Yes, he might not have agreed. But then, at least, one could say, "I did what I could."
If the problem is specifically with selling it for money (some people have complexes about this), then one could have offered a bottle of beer and a place in the front row of the audience, as a gift. Ive himself said that he was rooting for Hell.
In general, it's solvable, if there was an awareness of the necessity. What happened in reality is clearly worse.
Well, and yes, in my opinion, the main mistake was made in the last round - after Aive's victory, it was necessary to explain to him the political necessity of selling the game to Hell. Expecting him to figure it out on his own is hardly reasonable, but the judges and organizers could certainly have thought about it; they've been doing this for years.
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За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
