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By the way, just as a reminder, this tournament was held in three different countries - twice in Ukraine, once in Belarus, and four times in Russia.

That's a good argument, by the way, for the legitimacy of its status!

Am I the only one surprised that all the negativity is coming only from NON-CIS participants? ;)

For those who can't or won't tear themselves away to attend this event, but only boast about abstract concepts; for those for whom status and loud titles are important, and who challenge the CIS title year after year, etc. - I advise you to COME, immerse yourselves in the atmosphere!
Otherwise, you won't understand why and for what we gather year after year, overcoming thousands of kilometers. I sincerely feel sorry for you - you forum keyboard warriors!

Personally, I don't care how you call this tournament among yourselves, what status you assign to it, and what you say about its winner. The fact is that at the moment, this is the largest and most significant tournament for all fans of Heroes.
To get together with old friends, to communicate in person, live, and not behind a keyboard in a banal chat! These are values that are, apparently, becoming wild and distant for modern society!

Next time, allow yourself to NOT miss such an event - put aside all your affairs, find the means to get a huge boost of positive emotions with like-minded people, find new friends, and your posts about the CIS will become kinder and friendlier!

And so that my promotional post carries bright notes to the masses and doesn't look so gloomy, I'll probably post a couple of photos from my personal archive, which, by the way... I just dug up today!

About the origins of such tournaments. Fixed-rules tournament at Sila's club (St. Petersburg-2003):

"This is St. Petersburg, baby!" or what many missed this time...
















Dustik with Aurora!


From right to left. Matrosoff, and the legend of those years - Antal


At the club


In the Hermitage. On the right: Eric aka Vam rad, aka Nagan


In the foreground: Nagan and Horn, in the background are guys from Michurinsk




Draw: Horn, Poritsatel, draws, it seems, Alex the Great


I'll tell you, Cobra was already falling asleep at that time ;-)


Sergey Napalm drew a lucky ticket :-)


Unique photo. Down with Heroes! Horn and Kvaka!


The owner of the club - Sil


Group photo or recognize familiar faces :-)

Awesome photos! Thanks, Alex!

I agree with the opinions of Gomunguls, Leader, and, to some extent, Dirty. What we saw on the screens, and the way one of the champion's victories was achieved, doesn't really match such a pompous title as "CIS Championship." In my opinion, even "Only HL" is much harder to win. And there's so much pomp and insults directed at the stream viewers...

My humble opinion: Excuse me, who are you complaining to? The people who organized the championship at their own expense, traveled to it, and also took the initiative to do other things like streaming? Everything that happened there was the desire of the people who gathered there. You don't like what you see? Then I advise you to come and I think your opinion will change.
Regarding the "post-match analysis," again, my humble opinion... None of the participants were strongly against what happened. I think this is because everyone perfectly understood that any of the 8 who took the prize-winning places could have become the champion.

In general, I see that there are answers. But mostly, armchair critics have latched onto the name of the tournament. And their friends and colleagues throw mud back – I confess, I'm guilty of it too...
This is generally funny and not worth getting upset about – we can call it whatever we want, and those who don't like it can just deal with it. By the way...: the roster changes every year, but every year both top players and mid-tier players participate – you rarely see outright weaklings. Unless I decide to play. If we want, we can call the next tournament: The Open Championship of the CIS Countries in Heroes of Might and Magic, in memory of Armchair Critics and Chat Dwellers, as well as the Anniversary of the First Defeat of the Homunculus at the CIS Countries Championship.

In this thread, the main focus is on the Regulations for future CIS tournaments. Of course, the post-championship drama is a sacred tradition, but let's try to channel it into something constructive. Our task, that is, the task of the target audience of the tournament – which includes its participants and guests – is to develop solutions that will both protect against standard and non-standard negative situations and, in some ways, encourage self-discipline so as not to interfere too much with the main competition. And if a General Regulation is developed for offline CIS tournaments, and if a Concept is developed, then interest in the event will increase, and who knows, maybe more people will start participating.

I finally got to my computer, read this thread, and it made me feel disgusted... apparently, the champion played while "drunk," but if anyone can name even one game where alcohol actually helped... you're saying there was no competition? Tell that to Amil, who fought with all his might in his match against Dirty, to Falcon, who played a multi-hour marathon against Togana, tell that to Ive, who, "while sick" (and I mean literally sick), played against Hell and denied him the right to play in the final, even though this victory brought him nothing but moral satisfaction... if you could see Mizrael's face, who on his birthday was supposed to win this tournament but ended up in the bottom 10% and lost... and after all this, someone in the chat has the audacity to say that it's harder to win online? At home, in a calm, familiar environment, when nothing is putting pressure on you... year after year, it's the same thing... try it, come here, we don't bite, and if after that you say that it's easy to win this championship, then...

Roma, we don't care about those armchair critics and so-called analysts.
But, let's get back to constructive suggestions.
1. Alcohol in the hall, and specifically IN the hall, in the amount that was allowed this year, is unacceptable. And this primarily concerns the spectators, not the participants. After all, participants, whether they like it or not, don't get too drunk during the games; when I played, I didn't drink during the games, that's obvious. Outside the hall – on a bench: as much as you want. Or in another hall. And if Merlin was sometimes too loud this year, he always oriented himself to what was happening around him.
2. Detectable match-fixing in the form of "selling a winning game" should be prohibited by the Regulations, i.e., specified in a separate clause, and have disciplinary consequences.
3. Organizers and the Chief Judge cannot be Participants in the tournament.
And so on – everything as in the initial topic...
I'm tired of repeating the same thing ten times.

I finally got to my computer, read this thread, and it made me feel disgusted... Turns out the championship was decided by "drunken heroes," but if anyone can name even one game where alcohol played a decisive role... Are you saying there was no struggle? Tell that to Amil, who fought tooth and nail in his match against Dirty, to Falcon, who played a multi-hour marathon with Toghan, tell it to Aive, who played "under the influence" (and I mean literally) against Hell and denied him the right to play in the final, even though this victory brought him nothing but moral satisfaction... If you could see Mizrael's face, who was supposed to win the tournament on his birthday but ended up in the bottom 10% and lost... And after that, someone in the chat has the audacity to say that it's harder to win online? At home, in a calm and familiar environment, when nothing is pressuring you... year after year, it's the same... try it, come here, they don't bite, and if after that you say that it's easy to win this championship, then...

Rom, you're right, I'll add a little. Many people put pressure on Dima (Aive) in his match against Hell, not directly, but by discussing the situation, because their match decided whether there would be a final. Everyone wanted a final between Hell and Lizard. Aive himself admitted that he wanted the same, but in the end, he put everything aside and played, and won, as Roma wrote, "under the influence." He won, and good for him.
Regarding Misha-Mizrael... it's just awful... to play such an important match on his birthday and for it to end like that... for those who don't know (if I'm wrong, the admins will correct me), Lizard appeared and on the next turn would kill the units standing in Mizrael's line. Mizrael decided not to check the enemy's spells and just charge into the line, because otherwise he wouldn't be able to attack Lizard. And he ran into a powerful spell and... When Hell found out, he asked Misha: "How did you not check?" And Misha, spreading his hands: "I had no other choice."
Guys, I haven't been following the games closely because I didn't want to interfere with the players, but I haven't seen such intense games in streams as in the CIS tournament. Everyone is carefully analyzing the situation and surrendering at 117-127 and so on...
And the game between Cobra and Hell, when Anton has more units but lacks control, he keeps rearranging his Grand Master units, but it's no use, while Cobra has full control and unexpectedly attacks Hell...

What's happening there is an indescribable atmosphere.

I thought and thought and came up with an excuse for myself: for the first 3 days of the tournament, I didn't drink at all, not even a sip of beer. Because I came to the tournament (from another country) with only one goal.

The CIS Online Tournament has an equivalent in the form of FB.

Well, since everyone has already shared their thoughts, I'll add mine. Many have considerable experience participating in this annual tournament, but this is my first, so my post will be interesting from the perspective of subjective impressions due to the lack of a retrospective view from previous events, but with the caveat that it's still just my opinion. So, in short: there was too much alcohol at this event, and even more poker. However, none of this affected the level of play of the participants or their motivation to win. Believe me, I saw them all playing, and the contrast between what was around them and what they were doing in the game was even stronger. Despite the overall atmosphere in the hall, it doesn't reflect the actual situation in the games. I was amazed at how some people, who were engrossed in drinking and poker outside the game, demonstrated a high level of concentration while at their laptops, as long as they had a chance to play in the final. Yes, after that chance disappeared, many were no longer as dedicated to the game, but I'm telling all the armchair critics that if you're happy to comfort yourselves and justify your absence at the CIS tournament and your envy of those who participated, then your posts are the best proof of that. But the truth is that the level of play there is really high, and, most importantly, the level of motivation. The result confirms this, however you interpret it. Therefore, I'll end with a phrase I learned at the CIS tournament (in general, everything bad I see in myself, I think, comes from there): "The organization is crap, the organizers are crap," but the overall impression is still positive, both of the event and of the game itself. I don't really see the point of such a heated discussion between those who were there and those who weren't, except from the perspective of what impression the event makes on viewers. Therefore, the opinion from the other side of the screen is important only from this point of view for future organizers. (Hint: if you organize a house of entertainment next year, but present the right image, the result will be even better: both participants and non-participants will be happy:smile03: )

Why should the CIS champion be someone who won a live tournament?

In any game, world or regional championships are held only live. I don't think I need to explain the reasons. Or do I?

In my opinion, even "Only HL" is much harder to win.

And what online game isn't like that? Naturally, online tournaments attract more and stronger players. So what now?

Initially, back in 2009, to qualify for the CIS championship, you had to go through a selection process (and it was live) in your region, and only then participate in the final stage. But then, due to the small number of people wanting to participate in the tournament, as well as the unwillingness to organize other qualifying stages, this tradition faded away... and it's understandable, because everything has to be done at your own expense... only to end up in the red.

This topic no longer has any point for discussion or debate; everyone will stick to their own opinion anyway. One thing is clear: people live according to the lifestyle they are accustomed to, and that is normal for them. If we consider the former CIS region, for me as a person without bad habits, it was not very pleasant to find myself in that atmosphere, namely: the room where the tournament was held was enclosed and not even ventilated, and it stank of alcohol and smoke, plus drunken singing and other such things... I cannot understand the nonsense many are writing here — "you lost, now you're badmouthing the CIS." So I will repeat once more: I played to the maximum there and did not make a single mistake. In the first game against Cobra, the draws were not in my favor, and the game map turned out to be no better than all the rest locations chosen (it was an empty respawn)... Against Fair, the opponent already had all the magic by the second week, while I never found any control except Flight until the end of the game, even though I had a multiple army advantage... These are all in-game moments, so it just didn't work out. And once again, for the especially gifted: I am not linking the result of those games to that atmosphere, no! I simply found it unpleasant to play under those conditions, and I can advise people with a similar lifestyle to mine to think carefully if they plan to attend this event.
As for the name "CIS," I suppose yes, I was wrong... There is nothing to argue about here, and everyone has already determined for themselves the degree and importance of this tournament. Some will jump out of their pants because they are going to this tournament, while others will see it as just a seasonal event...
P.S. And yes, I am not at all jealous that I did not go to this tournament))))))))

In any game, world or regional championships are held only live. I don't think I need to explain the reasons. Or do I?

If it's not too much trouble, please explain, I didn't even realize that.

In my opinion, photos from CIS events should be like this (photo attached), and not like Comrade Merlin takes – photos of drunk people in various sleeping poses... some are asleep standing, others in some other way...

If it's not too much trouble, it's necessary; I didn't even anticipate this.

To prevent cheating!..

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In my opinion, photos from CIS tournaments should be like this (photo attached), and not like Comrade Merlin takes photos of drunk people in various sleeping poses...asleep standing up, or something like that...

I remember the championship in Kyiv very well; you weren't there, it was +25 degrees outside, and even hotter in the underground club without ventilation, it was impossible to breathe. I deliberately lost matches to get out of there as quickly as possible and take a walk around the beautiful city of Kyiv!