Post-tournament analysis and discussion of the CIS Tournament Regulations.

Сатир

10 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

CIS-2016
Post-mortem analysis.
I'll start with the main point. My colleagues asked me to share my opinion about the incident that occurred during the tournament. Of course, I won't name the participants of the incident; I will only describe the situation itself, which, in my opinion, requires a detailed analysis. A match is in progress. One of the opponents demonstrates a clear advantage, and during the final battle, their victory becomes obvious. The opponents take a break. They call the judge and register the defeat of the one who has practically already won. At the same time, the amount and details of the deal become known to the public. However, unfortunately, the Head Judge of the competition only learns about this situation after the fact – already after the start of the next round, or even after its end. As a result, no disciplinary decisions were made, and the incident was not investigated.

This is just a circus. Shame on such players and such champions. By the way, I don't understand why their nicknames aren't being mentioned. These guys shouldn't avoid public condemnation because then they will continue to make such deals, and we (the Heroes community) don't want that, right?

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Gomunguls

10 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

In which city did this epic event take place? Or are you talking about online battles...? Are you ready to take on organizing the CIS-2017 tournament? Or CIS-2018? And at a high level. At the same time, a clear distinction must be made between an online computer game championship and an offline championship. Because offline, you will have to deal with many more headaches than in a standard online tournament.
I'm asking again - Are you ready to take on organizing and running a worthy offline CIS tournament for Heroes? Because otherwise, it's just ordinary demagoguery that has nothing to do with reality.

You're getting defensive. Don't you like criticism?
Why would I take on this job if I no longer have any interest in the event? In this case, I told you my opinion about your event, and that doesn't mean I should now jump in and do everything and arrange it.

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Noom

10 years ago

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Player_

Since you're so smart and understand everything better than others,
even if you were paid, you wouldn't do any better.

Vitaly's reaction to Merlin is quite understandable. Kirill likes to write posts where he's the only righteous D'Artagnan, so it's not surprising that people can't restrain themselves and periodically throw mud at him.

2Dust: The cultural program in St. Petersburg didn't interest me personally, not because I'm from Moscow and have already seen everything I wanted to see in St. Petersburg. It's just that for me, it's more of an event that I would do with a child, sister, or wife. A mass run through museums/streets/parks isn't really my thing.

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aka.Ward3n

10 years ago

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Satyr

By the way, I don't understand why nicknames aren't used.

Read Hellight's post carefully, look at the grid, and you'll understand everything without nicknames.

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MerlinTheMagician

10 years ago

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Noom

Kirill loves writing posts where he is the only holy d'Artagnan, so it's no surprise that citizens can't restrain themselves and occasionally throw manure at him.

No, no. The holy d'Artagnans don't travel to the CIS anymore. They've lost interest...

As for the fact that this year was an alcohol-fueled mess — everyone understands that. And we need to come up with a solution for future years so that the tournament lives on, so that the very idea does not fade away. Homunculus has already stated that the idea itself does not interest him. Then it's unclear why he even started writing anything in this thread... A demagogue, though...
But this idea is about having strong players gather together once a year if possible and be ready to prove through live play that Heroes 3 has not yet died. And that the game has not only a past, but at least a present. The HeroesWorld Rating is the rating of a specific online resource, and the claims about 1800+ are ridiculous, because there are players, strong players, champion players, who no longer need any ratings, who are ratings in themselves. And they travel. Every year. And for those who are not interested — well, no one is FORCING anyone. If you consider this tournament insignificant — everyone is free to be mistaken to the extent they wish. Last year, in my subjective assessment, was more significant. This year, less so. But all of this, for me and for dozens of Heroes players of the past and present {I won't speak of the future, so as not to jinx it} — is significant regardless. And this is the Main Event of the Year. Well, for particularly rambunctious armchair analysts, I can repeat the magic word — BY THE WAY...

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Dust_HL

10 years ago

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Noom

2Dust: The cultural program in St. Petersburg didn't interest me personally not because I'm from Moscow and have already seen everything I wanted to see in St. Petersburg.

That's exactly what I'm talking about! You've already seen a lot, but those who came from far away, and many are here for the first time, would find it interesting. Well, that's just my opinion. I've been to St. Petersburg three times and haven't even seen half of all the sights! And the first time I was there, the city made an unforgettable impression on me.

StickyFingaz

10 years ago

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The idea is that once a year, the strongest players gather together and, through live gameplay, are ready to prove that Heroes 3 is not dead yet.

I thought that they gathered for the Main Event of the Year to measure their skills in the game, but it turns out it's something else... well, they figured out that the game is still alive, they toasted to its health, and they posted the evidence on the forum; the event was a success.

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MerlinTheMagician

10 years ago

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StickyFingaz

to compare who has the bigger... well, you know.

Come on over. You can compare in the game and in real life. Maybe you'll even win a prize... at least a consolation prize... :D
In Heroes, as in poker, there's another factor. It's more significant in poker, but still present in Heroes. It's called "whose ass the fly lands on." And sometimes, objectively weaker players defeat objectively stronger players.

Aiwe

10 years ago

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It's just funny, almost everything that was written.
All the players were sober and tried to win, even after losing their chance of victory (well, almost all of them ;), and on the last day, some were playing for fun and suggested extending the tournament for one more round.
The alcohol-fueled chaos was only in the evening. When the games were going on, they would silence anyone who was shouting.
I understand that it's difficult to determine the strongest player in just 5 matches, but playing without a break for 2 months is stupid. And the championship is called CIS, not BO77.

Honestly, I'm so annoyed by this paternalistic analysis, that they all came there to drink, and no one even plays Heroes of Might and Magic, and doesn't even know how to play. Those who came to drink, drank, and those who came to play, played. And those who didn't come are losers xD

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MerlinTheMagician

10 years ago

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Aiwe

Anyone who doesn't show up is a loser xD

Why be so categorical? Sometimes even those who show up end up being losers... It all depends on how the map turns out... :smile08:

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LuckyF

10 years ago

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Aiwe

It's just funny, almost everything that was written.
All the players played sober and tried to win, even after losing their chance of victory (well, almost all of them ;), and on the last day, some were playing for fun and suggested extending it for one more round.
The alcohol-fueled chaos was only in the evening. When the games were going on, they would shut up those who were shouting.
I understand that it's difficult to determine the strongest player in just 5 matches, but playing without a break for 2 months is stupid. And the championship is called CIS, not BO77.

Honestly, I'm so annoyed by this paternalistic analysis, that they all came to drink, and no one even plays Heroes, and doesn't even know how to play. Those who came to drink, drank, and those who came to play, played. And those who didn't come are losers xD

He's just upset about his epic fail at the previous CIS tournament, and now he has the opportunity to throw some shade, so he's trying to make it seem like the tournament wasn't very good, the lineup wasn't great, and he could have easily won, but he just couldn't:D

Lider1

10 years ago

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Very pretentious name. "CIS" boosts self-esteem, but does it really live up to its level? Just based on a sporting principle? Call it "Lan tournament for cool guys" or "gathering of heroes from all over Russia" or something else, no problem. It's good for getting to know each other, having a good time, and drinking. But if the coolness of the tournament is determined only by its name, and there's a fight for that name, then that's really sad. Although, what nonsense am I writing? Heroes is not an esports discipline, and it never has been and never will be. What kind of real esports can there be here? Even with perfect adherence to the rules and the creation of conditions, how much randomness is there in the game? The game itself doesn't quite measure up to being a sport. But still, good job that you got together to play, some playing with cavalry, others with archers. That's what you should be happy about. And yes, purely subjectively, with protected saves in the HD mod + streams, the relevance of showing your skill in a real game decreases. And significantly. (Although there are skilled players, yes, who can do it). Accordingly, many online tournaments are no worse, and even stronger in terms of participants. IMHO. In essence, offline tournaments are only for checking cheaters well. In reality, the concentration is lower, there's drinking, distractions, etc. Well, it's not serious, do you even realize that? When a certain percentage is drinking, another percentage is walking around, "exploring the surroundings," a third percentage is playing, but not Heroes, but poker, and only a certain percentage is actually doing what they should be doing, namely playing Heroes. And sometimes, oh my god, they do it all at the same time. Well, lol, right? But at least there are points)) (sometimes). "The strongest players in the world," yeah, right :D

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Noom

10 years ago

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Lider1

A very pompous name. "CIS" boosts self-esteem, but does it match its level? purely based on sporting principles?
...further in the text...

It feels like at least half of this post is a copy-paste from last year's post.

Vigo

10 years ago

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I think this thread was created to analyze what happened, discuss the participants' impressions, and express subjective opinions so that the organizers of the next CIS event can take into account all the pros and cons – and not just compete over who has more and throw mud at each other. The organizers of CIS 2016 did their best! Huge thanks to them for everything! Those who think otherwise can go to the "by the way..." area! My subjective opinion: * Organizers and judges should not participate in the Heroes tournament! * There should be two halls! * All other minor issues can be resolved on the spot without any major problems (of course, except for global issues that the organizers agree on and decide in advance).