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Offline Kyle
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IronAxe
Why should the CURRENT rating of ALL players be reset to ZERO at the beginning of the year??? It's as if everyone is born anew.
What’s the problem? This is a cyclical rating system after all.
Let's look at the tournament concept for the portal… If you check this post, you will see that tournaments will take place seasonally (one season equals one year).
That is, every year there will be a Van Kanneghem Tournament and others.
At the end of the year, there will be the Best of the Best tournament, TOP10, and also at the end of the year, the results are summed up based on the ladder. Therefore, at the end of the year, it is possible to sum up the results based on the rating as well. Everything is logical.
And with the new year, both Новичок and veterans are in equal conditions regarding gaining rating points.
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I promised not to age the rating during the Kanneghem tournament, but not specifically because of the Kanneghem tournament. And since at least 5 or more additional tournaments will take place during this time, I think it is acceptable to adjust the rating by 50% according to my system. This was allowed in my system.
So, it turns out that each year, for 10 months, your rating won't be aged... but then it will be halved... and the remaining 2 months, it will be aged (by the way, have you decided what the default aging rate will be?)... and how can this be called? In my opinion, only one word fits - CHAOS!
Well, consider: what’s the point of aging if it doesn’t work in most cases?
IronAxe
It was said that I would age the rating at my discretion, both in terms of timing and percentage.
Imagine that you have some problems in real life and cannot be present on the portal, and what happens to the rating when it is left to its own devices? Or someone else will be appointed who decides to age the rating differently… Then you come back again and return the aging to your method… Is this right? The rating should be calculated according to the rules! not according to the whim of any person. Otherwise – CHAOS!

Sincerely.

Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров
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Offline AlexeyPank
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We need to devise a rating system for blitz games. It seems that the existing systems are not very suitable for this. After all, the results will be measured in different units – days, gold, mana, HP, etc. Plus, this rating should somehow be linked to the main rating.
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We need to devise a rating system for blitz games. The existing systems don't seem very suitable for it. After all, the results will be in different units of measurement – days, gold, mana, HP, etc. Plus, this rating should somehow be linked to the main rating.
I won't include blitz games in my system. They were planned as training tournaments. You don't need to spend a day on such a task, let alone dedicate a full day to completing a map. Therefore, I think that awarding the leader 100 points in the rating for such a task is too generous.
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Offline Kamikaze
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True, you can calculate the rating as a percentage of the main rating. For example, 30% or 20% for each blitz.
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And starting from the new year, both newcomers and veterans will be on equal footing in terms of rating progression.
But in reality, their ratings are not equal at the moment. You simply want to equalize their ratings at the beginning of the year based on your own whim. I agree that they will be on equal footing in terms of further rating progression. But the fact that everyone's rating is being leveled to the current rating? Why? As if all players have the same level of skill at this point?
Kyle;88883

So, it turns out that for 10 months each year, your rating won't decrease... but then it will be halved... and in the remaining 2 months, it will decrease (by the way, have you decided what the default decrease will be?)... and how can this be called? In my opinion, only one word fits: CHAOS!
Everything is written in the rules. For this Kanigema tournament (during its course, I promised not to decrease the rating), there are five stages - 10% each. This means that at the end, everyone's rating will be reduced by 50%. IS THAT A PROBLEM?
Kyle;88883

Well, consider the point: what's the use of rating decay if it doesn't work in most cases?
Show me on the example of my tables where it doesn't work?? There is not much information yet. The decay was carried out only once, by 10% for each version and by 33% for the Universal rating. After Kanigema, we will decay again. The main thing is that according to my rating, no one will reset their rating, and everyone will not have an equal rating, because someone has earned something over the year and will not want to lose it. It will only decrease so that they cannot break away indefinitely. And the fact that I will decay according to my own discretion is my right. The main thing is that everyone is warned in advance and that the decay is applied to everyone by the same percentage - this is a MUST :)
Kyle;88883

Imagine that you have some problems in real life and you cannot be present on the portal, and the rating is left to its own devices? Or someone else will be appointed who decides to decay the rating differently... Then you come back again and return the decay to your way... Is this right? The rating should be calculated according to the rules, not according to the whim of any person. Otherwise - CHAOS!
But I don't see a problem with that. I already said - you can decay however you want, but the main thing is to warn about the time when the decay will occur (although this is not so important) and that the decay is applied to everyone by the same percentage - that's why I don't need to reset everything for everyone at the beginning of the year, and no one will break away indefinitely from others. And since such a trend is emerging, everyone's rating will be reduced by 50% after the Kanigema tournament, according to the Universal rating. And for each of the versions, I will see how many games have been played during this time (one game - 10%, two games - 20%) - the rating will be decayed by that percentage.

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Indeed, you can calculate the rating as a percentage of the main rating. Like 30% or 20% for each blitz.
Well, that's not so bad. But still, there is a trend that many more types of tournaments will be invented here, and then the accountants will only have to calculate ratings. Therefore, I will still not count such blitzes in my rating.
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Regarding the Warlord Cup (VK) – there will be 10 stages instead of 5. It will run until December. When should the ranking be finalized? The Warlord Cup will end before the Battle Blitz (BB) and Top 10 (TOR10). As for the Battle Blitz, how should we determine the ranking? The conditions will be different. It seems we'll have to calculate it linearly.
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Regarding the Warlord Cup – there will be not 5, but 10 stages. Until December. When should we update the rating? The Warlord Cup will end before the Battle of the Best and TOP10.
Well, how was I supposed to know? Okay. After five stages, we'll update it. And again after another five stages. That will be fair because five stages cover all versions of the game.
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But what about the Blitz tournaments? What should we use as a basis for calculating the Blitz rating? The conditions will be different. Apparently, we'll have to calculate it manually.
It doesn't matter what the conditions are – just base it on the leader, and you won't be wrong :) After all, we already calculate tournaments based on both speed and the number of skeletons. Now, instead of the number of skeletons, it will be the amount of gold, mana, the number of killed or surviving units, and all sorts of other things :)

But is it even necessary to calculate a rating for the Blitz tournaments? I'm currently leaning towards not doing it. But you can try. No, but what kind of rating will the leader get after a couple of hours of play? At least tell me that :)
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I don't know yet. I think there should be a different system. Something like a fixed number of points, like in Formula 1. For example, from 12 to 1. More than that is unlikely, as it's not a full-fledged tournament.
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I don't know yet. I think there should be a different system. Something like a fixed number of points, like in Formula 1. For example, from 12 to 1. More than that is unlikely, as it's not a full-fledged tournament.
Well, then it definitely doesn't suit me. Because aging will consume these points almost instantly. Great idea I came up with :) Maybe you should make these blitz games just for fun - why bother with a rating for them?
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Every effort should be rewarded. Blitz games should also have a rating system to assess players' abilities in solving tasks.
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Every effort should be rewarded. Blitz mode should also have a ranking system to assess players' abilities in solving tasks.
Leave the respected Iron alone with the ranking for blitz mode... :) Blitz mode shouldn't be mixed with other tournaments – it's essentially something completely different. And within blitz mode, you can maintain a simplified ranking – like a cup.

In large tournaments, you might not be able to complete a map for objective reasons. There's no such thing in blitz mode. Even the busiest player can find a couple of hours a week... Participate – get points. Miss it – that's your problem. It's simple and transparent.

My suggestion: keep a constant record of all stages in one table and award prizes based on the completion of the season... And to increase interest, divide the entire cup into several Tournaments (for example, five stages in each tournament) and summarize the results separately for each Tournament. Also – with awards...

The calculation mechanism is simple – and depends only on the place taken. And that's it. No complications or percentage coefficients...
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Leave the respected Iron alone with the blitz rating... :) Blitz shouldn't be mixed with other tournaments - it's essentially something completely different. And within blitz, you can have a simplified rating system - like a cup.
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The calculation mechanism is simple - and depends only on the place taken. And that's it. No complications or percentage coefficients...
I absolutely agree. In other words, if there is a rating for blitz, it will in no way be mixed with the ratings for regular tournaments and will not affect them in any way. Is that correct?
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Leave the respected Iron alone with the blitz rating... :) Blitz shouldn't be mixed with other tournaments – it's essentially something completely different. And within blitz, you can maintain a simplified rating – like a cup.

In larger tournaments, you might not be able to complete a map for objective reasons. There's no such thing in blitz. Anyone, even the busiest player, can find a couple of hours a week... Participate – get points. Miss it – that's your problem. It's all simple and transparent.

My suggestion: keep a constant record of all stages in one table and award prizes based on the completion of the season... And to increase interest, divide the entire cup into several Tournaments (for example, five stages in each tournament) and summarize the results separately for each Tournament. Also – with awards...

The calculation mechanism is simple – and depends only on the place taken. And that's it. No complications or percentage coefficients...

I like everything in this post, except for one thing...

What if there are 5 winners with the same rating?:eek: Will we award all 5? We don't have to look far for an example...

I suggest giving these tournaments official status:smile13: after this issue is resolved.:smile13:

Sincerely, VDV_forever
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What if there are 5 winners with the same rating?:eek: Will we reward all 5? We don't need to look far for an example...
What's the problem? You can reward ten people if you want. Just print some "Grails" – and that's it. That's how you make the monetary reward equivalent to the rating. So what if five people have the same rating?
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What if there are 5 winners with the same rating?:eek: Will we reward all 5? We don't have to look far for an example...
We will try to avoid this... It primarily depends on the maps and starting saves at each stage... But I think, in reality, it will be more complicated than you think... Let's see - it's a new thing, and not everything is clear yet... :)
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