Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments. — Tournament Committee

skd

9/30/2015 5:59 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

This is completely incorrect. He will become a participant only after being added to the list of participants.
For the life of me, I don't see which rule of HeroesWorld is being violated?

From the regulations of the tournament "One for All 4":

Upon the conclusion of registration on September 25, all tournament participants must send to злой_романтик (296524052) and Palach HP (426409548) a list of captains, i.e., they must select from all participants (excluding themselves) those whom they consider worthy of captaincy. The number of captains will be announced, and they will form the list of captains.

Here is Roger's message:
Roger Cool (27.09.2015 12:30)
1-HellLight. 2-Palach HP. 3- Javdet. 4- Maretti. 5- Aiwe. 6- Redwhait. 7- twaryna. 8- Wowa. 9- Amster. 10 - Dark. 11 Сатир.12- Айя.13- Stinger. 14- Bishop. 15- WizarD 576. 16- Amiloo.17 - The . 18- Nitro. 19 - Lizard. 20 - Sanin.

Roman roman (27.09.2015 13:01)
? Did you find yourself in the list of participants?

That is, the Organizer himself did not inform him that he would not be included in the tournament. Yes, he used the clause allowing him to not publicly explain the refusal, but he is obliged to inform the player of the refusal before the start of the tournament (subclause "c" of clause 2.1 of the Organization Rules). Thus, the Organizer violates the regulations of the tournament he is organizing.

Roger asks the AC to look into the situation.

Dirty_Player

As a judge, I spoke with Злым_романтиком and suggested reconsidering this decision. He disagreed, categorically so. Should I force him? Maybe ban him? :smile32:

Why was the vote for the AC held? In part, to ensure that one person could not make a final decision. That is why there are 7 of you in the AC, to make a decision.

This very rule is being violated. That is, is the organizer's decision now indisputable? Does the participant have no way to challenge it?
And what if Roger has been waiting for this exact fun team tournament for a whole year and is now being refused because the organizer has had an unpleasant experience resolving disputes with this player in other tournaments?
A judge or organizer must be impartial and consistent in their decisions.

For example, Toganash, who abandoned the tournament "One for All 3", is in the list of participants, while Roger, against whom there were no complaints within the framework of the "One for All" tournament outside of it?

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bubuch

9/30/2015 6:26 PM UTC

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Apparently, Roman has his reasons for being so determined, but asking won't hurt.
Roman, Roger really wants to play with us!)) If there are any issues with the lineup, I'll gladly step aside (on the condition that Roger stops lecturing me about politics).

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злой_романтик

9/30/2015 6:40 PM UTC

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bubuch

Apparently, Roman has his reasons for being so determined, but asking won't hurt.
Roman, Roger really wants to play with us!)) If there are any issues with the lineup, I'll gladly step aside (on the condition that Roger stops lecturing me about politics)))

They took him, they took him, under the watchful eye of a person with an axe ;)

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Roger-ua

9/30/2015 6:44 PM UTC

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I would like to express my sincere gratitude to all participants in the discussion for their active stance and fight for justice.

Justice has prevailed. The Arbiter reinstated me in the tournament.

The main goal of my complaint was to prevent similar situations from happening in the future with other members of the site. I think the Administration will work on ensuring that the arbitrariness of either the organizers or the judges has no chance of existing.

Весна 2013.

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Vatya

9/30/2015 10:57 PM UTC

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Roger-ua

I would like to express my sincere gratitude to all participants in the discussion for their active stance and fight for justice.

Justice has prevailed; the Arbiter reinstated me in the tournament.

The main goal of my complaint was to prevent such a situation from happening again with other users of the site. I think the Administration will work on ensuring that arbitrariness by organizers or judges has no chance of existing.

Hmm... but you say that issues cannot be resolved without arguments...

For example, they didn't include me in "Favorites," which I was really looking forward to, citing /topic/10012/ as the reason, which Pete apparently came up with specifically for me so there would be a reason to refuse. Well, I wasn't particularly upset about it because I was told that the more noise there is on the forum, the worse it is for me.

So now the question is, should I also file an appeal against this decision (which Pete made unilaterally, as far as I understand) since, after some time, I should have been granted amnesty. Yuri has 2 yellow cards, and no one can deny him participation in the tournament based on these grounds.

In general, IMHO, it’s nonsense to deny participation without explaining the reasons. There are at least 3 people who support the tournament; 2 of them are almost always available. Decide among yourselves who and why to refuse, and that's all...

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Осень-Зима 2013-14.

zoog

10/1/2015 3:59 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

I'd rather just stop organizing tournaments altogether if I'm forced to put in extra effort for someone who treats me like that. Why should I try and get negativity in return?

As Witch already said, the problem lies in the way the issue was addressed. It's more honest and respectful to directly explain that someone is problematic and unpleasant to communicate with, rather than taking the position of "I said it; if you don't like it, change the forum."

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Vatya

10/30/2015 6:23 PM UTC

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Since this is an appeals committee, I am submitting an appeal to have my name removed from this list: /topic/10012/ For some unknown reason, known only to Pete, I am still on the list (and in singular form), even though it has been a year and a half, and I haven't had any issues in tournaments like forfeiting or being disqualified. There was even a positive factor – winning an offline tournament.

I originally registered on the site to play in two tournaments: "Novichok" (to gauge my strength) and "Lyubimchiki." But I missed the 5th one, messed up the 6th, and wasn't accepted for the 7th, citing this very point. I don't want a repeat of that situation. I don't register for every tournament; I wait for the ones I find interesting and treat them accordingly. Yes, there were problems with me in the past, but excuse me, a lot of time has passed…

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Осень-Зима 2013-14.

bubuch

10/31/2015 1:18 AM UTC

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I request that the AK (based on ICQ logs) review the situation that arose between me and Lucky George during the "One for All" tournament. In my opinion, there is either a lack of willingness on the part of this player to continue the postponed game, or, unfortunately, an inability to adequately perceive what is happening. I physically cannot spend so much time on this kind of communication.

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Dirty_Player

11/1/2015 5:09 AM UTC

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bubuch

I request that the Arbitration Committee (AK) review the situation that has arisen between me and Lucky George during the "One for All" tournament based on ICQ logs. In my opinion, this player either does not want to continue the postponed game or, unfortunately, is unable to adequately perceive what is happening. I physically cannot spend so much time on such communication.

You are confusing the address. I do not see any reason why the AK should deal with this issue. What you described is a direct task for the tournament organizers!

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Vatya

Since this is an appeals committee, I am submitting an appeal to have myself removed from this list /topic/10012/

Well, it says there that the punishment period has expired, so there should be no problems participating in the tournament. The only thing is that the organizer has the right to refuse participation if he wants, but this applies to any participant.

wowa

11/5/2015 10:55 PM UTC

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question to the judges, this is a real situation
it did not affect the outcome of the game, it's just important to know for the future

playing Jebus Cross, red breaks through the GO, does something in the center, then, weakened and without mana, retreats to their own respawn, giving the center to blue

blue captures red's central town, runs further and sees a passage to a neighboring (as it later turned out, neutral) respawn without the GO! meanwhile red was not there, the GO itself is somewhere off-road, and the passage on the road is bugged due to a mine
but blue doesn't know this, yet it's obvious to them that red was messing around in the center, so they run into the neutral respawn and farm there
this is discovered after the game, which red won

question: what to do in such a situation if blue had won?

"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny

zoog

11/5/2015 11:00 PM UTC

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So, the blue player didn't realize that the mine caused a bugged passage? If it's a strong player, then it's on their conscience, in my opinion.

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wowa

11/6/2015 3:33 AM UTC

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zoog

So, the blue player didn't realize that the mine caused a bugged passage? If this is a skilled player, then it's on his conscience, in my opinion.

In reality, it's difficult to figure out.
There's a road from the sands to the grass, and the mine is further away.
And the opponent was running around there before.
Moreover, the blue player went through the entire center, the opponent was already gone, all the resources along the roads were collected + 2 unattacked Guardians of Light on the grass and lava (the red player came out off-road).
And changing zones along the road without protection – it simply wouldn't occur to anyone that the red player had never been there)))

So, formally, the rules were violated, but it was almost impossible to figure out during the game that they could be violated.
That's why I'm asking, how should such situations be judged? There was no conscious violation, not even a thought about it, and besides, the blue player could have destroyed anything at that moment :)
True, after spending the remaining mana, but the contact was much later, and the mana was replenished several times afterwards)))

"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny

zoog

11/6/2015 3:43 AM UTC

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It would be better to upload the save file; there are many unanswered questions – did the red creature also emerge from the grass? Was there no terrain vision?

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wowa

11/6/2015 3:48 AM UTC

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zoog

It would be better to upload the save file, as many questions remain - did the red unit also emerge from the grass? Was there no line of sight to the ground?

He emerged from the grass, but from the other side, and then he flew back with wings, and the blue unit didn't see these movements – so he was probably sure that he was running after his opponent.

"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny

Dirty_Player

11/6/2015 4:03 AM UTC

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The rules state that there should be no Guard of the Oasis (GO) on the starting respawn point. If there is no GO at all on the neutral respawn point, I would interpret it as follows:

2.6.5. In the absence of a passage guard, free passage between zones is permitted.

However, this creates a slight contradiction with the rules for Jebus:

- To exit your zone and enter the central treasury (zone 5), as well as to pass from the central treasury to other zones, you must defeat the corresponding GO. Using buggy passages between the central treasury and a specific zone is prohibited until the GO between these zones is defeated.

Without a save file, it's very difficult to say for sure; it would be best to upload the save file.