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19 years ago
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I voted for the terrible balance! Because: Let's take two factions, Warlocks and Sylvan. The first has a level 2 unit: Gargoyle - which is a flying absurdity. It moves slowly and has weak attack. The only plus is its defense. The second has a level 1 unit: Sprite. After upgrading, it already has good spells, fast movement, and higher attack. Draw your own conclusions!
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19 years ago
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There's a good saying: "Keep quiet, and people will think you're smart"... and that's exactly your case... Balance is the strength of the entire castle (creatures, magic, heroes, etc.) in comparison to all the others...
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19 years ago
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Lord Vampire, be quiet – the Valkyrie will see and she’ll get angry! It seemed to me that you said that a race with training is weak. No, they aren't weak, they have quite strong units. Well, they are weak in magic, but you can still play with them, especially since the 4-6 level units are quite strong.

Okay, okay... Of course, I'm wrong.:mad: Because...:rolleyes:
Dear Lord Vampire.
Have you played as Humans?
Even once?
I think... that you haven't.
Humans are a strong race primarily because of their units. The hero is not that great, to be honest. But... Humans have training, they have great heroes like Axel and Iris, ...they have Paladins and Archangels, damn it, almost the best for their level (and the crossbowmen).
I'm not saying that Humans are the STRONGEST (although I sincerely believe so):rolleyes:

There is an imbalance in the heroes. And it's quite significant. But not in the weakness of Humans, but rather in the weakness of Necropolis, and Inferno is a bit lacking.

And look at the prices of the units.
Emerald Dragons and Archdevils (Archdevils are, by the way, IMPOLITELY weak) are noticeably more expensive than the Black Dragon!
This is not just an imbalance. It's already outrageous.:smile11:
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19 years ago
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by the way, Inferno has a weakness to demons, which can be exploited if you have a strong group of Dungeon lords (I know, everyone is tired of them already)
And Necropolis is not weak either - the quality of the troops is more than compensated by their quantity... (and is it even worth mentioning this again...)
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19 years ago
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Well, well... Of course, I'll explain myself.:mad: Because... there's no other way....:rolleyes:
Dear Vampire Lord.
Have you ever played as Humans?
Even once?
I doubt it....
Humans are a strong race primarily because of their units. The hero, to put it mildly, isn't that great. But... Humans have training, they have better heroes like Axel and Iris,....they have Paladins and Archangels, damn it, some of the best for their level (and the Arbalesters).
I'm not saying that Humans are the STRONGEST (although I sincerely believe so):rolleyes:

There is an imbalance in the heroes. And it's quite significant. But not in the weakness of Humans, but rather in the weakness of Necropolis, and Inferno is a bit lacking.

Just look at the unit prices.
Emerald Dragons and Archdevils (Archdevils, by the way, are UNACCEPTABLY weak) are noticeably more expensive than the Black Dragon itself!
This isn't just an imbalance. It's outrageous.:smile11:
Dear Paladin_Rider.:smile10:
I've played as Humans and never lost with them. I've even heard that one player won against Gnomes using Heaven, and this happened in version 2.1 with reduced training. This was all said to comfort you.:D
I'll repeat once again that a race that has nothing to do with strong magic cannot be strong. Since it can't counter the Phoenix, it can only attack it with its units, while we can summon it again.:D There are also many terrible spells like Dominate, Berserk, Weakness, etc.
And regarding the weakness of Necropolis, we have a whole crowd of people playing Heroes here, so let's ask them which is weaker, Necropolis or Heaven.:D
I understand that Heaven is your favorite race and you're defending it, but I feel the same way about Necropolis. This is an eternal and unresolved dispute between DEATH and LIFE. :smile24: :smile24: :smile24:
I wanted to add about the strength of Gnomes, that the race isn't that strong after all. Since it can be won against with Heaven, it can be won with anything. So, the cheating runes won't help the Gnomes! Let's see what Nival has come up with for the Orcs.:smile25:
Regarding the balance, I wanted to say that it's generally average, and Inferno is indeed underperforming, but they have Gating and Pit Lords that can destroy the Phoenix, and that's the only thing that saves them for now.:smile10:
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19 years ago
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Lord Vampire;84332
Dear Knightess.:smile10:
I played as Humans and never lost with them. I even heard that one player won with Heaven's Gate against Dwarves, and this happened in version 2.1 with reduced training. This was all said to comfort you.:D
I repeat, a race that has nothing to do with magic cannot be strong. Since it cannot counter the Phoenix, it can only attack it with its units, while we can summon it again.:D There are also many powerful spells, such as Dominate, Berserk, Weakness, etc.
And regarding the weakness of Necropolis, we have a whole crowd of people playing Heroes here, so let's ask them which is weaker, NECROPOLIS or HEAVEN'S GATE.:D
I understand that Heaven's Gate is your favorite race, and you are defending it, but I feel the same way about NECROPOLIS. This is an eternal and unresolved dispute between DEATH and LIFE. :smile24: :smile24: :smile24:
I wanted to add about the strength of the Dwarves, that the race is not as strong as it seems. Since it can be won with Heaven's Gate, it can be won with anything. So, the cheating runes won't help the DWARVES! Let's see what Nival has come up with for the ORCS.:smile25:
Regarding the balance, I want to say that it is generally average, and Inferno is indeed weak, but they have Gating and Pit Lords that can destroy the Phoenix, this is the only thing that saves them for now.:smile10:

I warned you=).
And if we talk about the topic: the fact that you can summon a lot of people playing as Necropolis is not an argument in their favor. Few people like Necropolis because they are black and green and undead... They are not invincible, I am sure that for every person who plays as Necropolis, there will be someone who will defeat him with another race. Am I wrong? Argue.
And the balance is not bad, I have already given my arguments.
19 years ago
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Lord Vampire. Well, there's no need to rephrase my words. I didn't say that humans are the STRONGEST race; perhaps they are inferior to Necropolis in some ways (oh, how difficult it is for me to say these words, who would have known...:rolleyes:), although the question of QUANTITY and QUALITY is debatable...:smile08: But you said that humans are weak...or something like that, I don't remember...and that's an incorrect statement. Very incorrect.:mad: Trust my experience:) And your own...you said that you never lost playing as Haven. Therefore, young man, you are contradicting yourself.:smile52: As for which is better, Might or Magic...that's still debatable.;)
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19 years ago
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eXeCuToR;84393
I warned you=).
And if we talk about the topic: the fact that you can summon a lot of players playing as Necropolis is not an argument in their favor. Few people like Necropolis because they are black and green and undead... They are not invincible; I am sure that for every player who plays as Necropolis, there will be someone who will defeat them with another race. Am I wrong? Argue.
And the balance is not bad; I have already given my arguments.
Of course, you can win against Necropolis!:D
I'm not saying that it's impossible to win against them. There is no such race that beats everyone, otherwise, it wouldn't be a balance. Once, I lost badly to the Academy; since then (a week has passed),
I consider this race to be overpowered.:D
Especially their hero, Nur.
2 Mounted Units
Regarding the fact that I am contradicting myself. I am saying that I played as HEAVEN, not against me. So, when someone defeats me with Heaven, then I will change my opinion about this race.
But for now, let's stop here:smile15:
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19 years ago
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Yeah... you say that there can't be a faction that always wins, but then you say that Academy won in your game, and that's why you think it's overpowered. You're contradicting yourself.
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19 years ago
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And the Necropolis faction has its own advantages, and light magic for the Haven faction isn't such a useless thing after all, and training is good, and the high cost of the Archdevil is the biggest drawback for the Inferno faction, and runes are great, and minor artifacts are good, and Arcane Wave is wonderful... and so on and so forth.
Conclusion: there is balance, and the balance is good!
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19 years ago
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I warned you=).
And if we talk about the topic: the fact that you can summon a lot of people playing as Necromancers is not an argument in their favor. Few people like Necropolis because they are black and green and undead... They are not invincible; I am sure that for every person who plays as Necropolis, there will be someone who will defeat them with another race. Am I wrong? Argue.
And the balance is not bad; I have already given my arguments.
I play as Necromancers because they are close to me in terms of the feeling of existence and all that!!!! I feel the coldness of the units, the lack of their minds, and their insensitive flesh, their boundlessness and the infinity of their existence. And read about their strength; they used to be invincible, and who can stand against Marcel on a more or less large map???? He is "damn" cool with his numbers!!!!!!!!!
P.S. Argue what? That there will be users who really want to defeat Necromancers? Many want to! What is the question? There is always another force against strength!!!!!!!!
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19 years ago
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There is always another force against any force!

And what do you think I'm talking about?
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19 years ago
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Yeah... you say there can't be a race that wins against everyone, and then you say the Academy won against you and that's the only reason you consider it cheaty. You're contradicting yourself.
If I consider it cheaty, it doesn't mean it can't be beaten; after all, Inferno has a hero who increases magic immunity, and a Phoenix can be killed by Pit Lords—I just don't know how to kill it with Necromancers (i.e., I consider it cheaty not because it wins against everyone, but because it beat the Necromancers, since that is the strongest race). Nura might not even need to go back to the castle for armies and spells; arrows and the starting army are enough for her to clear all the territory surrounding the castle. She is a cheater, undoubtedly—play as her and you'll understand; it's impossible to develop faster than with her.
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19 years ago
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I read this thread and disagreed with many points! You can't express everything, but... Some people said that there was no balance in the third game, but only those who didn't fully play the third Heroes could say that. Patches improve a lot, but initially, there is an imbalance in the fifth game. I waited a very long time for the fifth Heroes, and unfortunately, after waiting, I could only play it now, having a decent computer. Maybe I'm a novice in the fifth game... but I played the third game thoroughly; the balance in it is better than in the fifth.
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19 years ago
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The balance should be good in all parts of the game, otherwise it's unclear what the developers were doing (you wouldn't say that, would you?). As for the fact that some things are being nerfed in patches (I haven't actually seen it myself), that's not a very healthy sign!

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