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Pit for Life Mage
77.3% 85 votes
evil_romantic
41.8% 46 votes
Mizrael
52.7% 58 votes
Dirty_Player
80% 88 votes
Nitro
53.6% 59 votes
Sanin
22.7% 25 votes
=Lizard=
23.6% 26 votes
=Stinger=
41.8% 46 votes
Satyr
18.2% 20 votes
skd
4.5% 5 votes
KobRa_RR
33.6% 37 votes
Wicc
40.9% 45 votes
rebellious
18.2% 20 votes
Player
5.5% 6 votes
Kalababa
16.4% 18 votes
Redwhait HP
50% 55 votes
Amiloo
40% 44 votes
Vigo
3.6% 4 votes
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Wicc


Specifically in that story, Redwait had 2 serious arguments - the absence of a direct prohibition in the rules (even though the bug was known) and unofficial permission from 2 members of the administration.

In such a situation, refusing to use the bug could result in post-game comments like "well, you're a fool, you missed an easy victory."
Do you even realize what you're saying? You admit that the person used a BUG (not a feature!) and you say that, in theory, you would do the same if you had the opportunity):smile21: :smile21: :smile11: :smile07:
To put it simply, I don't know if your brilliant mind will understand this phrase: "In that situation, I wouldn't even think about using this bug, because it wouldn't occur to me."

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It's interesting, why do you think that your perception of the world is more adequate?
He actually has an adequate view, judging by the statements above.:)

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Wicc
The heroic tradition is that bugs are considered features until they are prohibited at the level of the rules. That is, you can use it once, but not anymore.

Let me tell you a secret, a feature is a small, unconventional action that helps you in one way or another. As Nitro said, "I sit for 10 minutes, watching a Mull rushing past me to the left, I sit for another 10 minutes watching a Mull rushing past me to the right, another 10 minutes upwards, another 10 minutes downwards," I can simplify the task for your brain, moves are one of the most valuable resources in the game (and considering the game on HotA - NK), so by giving yourself, let's say, infinite moves, you are simply violating the rules of the game.

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I'm not discussing Redwait's actions now, but specifically the opinion of a possible future judge!

лето 2012.
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Do you even realize what you're saying? You acknowledge that the player exploited a BUG (not a feature!) and then say that, in theory, you would have done the same if you had the opportunity? :smile21: :smile21: :smile11: :smile07:
To put it simply, I don't know if your brilliant mind will understand this phrase: "In that situation, I wouldn't even think about using this bug because it wouldn't occur to me."
It definitely would have occurred to me, and I would have definitely exploited the bug. However, not to win, but to loudly raise the issue of banning this bug. Firstly, because I enjoy forum arguments; it's a weakness of mine, and secondly, because the rules in Heroes are usually fixed through trial and error – until something goes wrong, no one will bother to fix it. This story demonstrates that once again.

As for insisting on winning, that's subjective. I probably wouldn't insist, but I completely understand those who would.

As for similar precedents, I remember DirtyPlayer once finding a refuge with 50 Titans and buying them all with his money. He did lose in the end, so it's hard to say what would have happened if he had won. However, he is a respected member of the AK (Administration Council).
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Javdet
Since members of the Arbitration Committee have to make judicial decisions, it would be nice to see members with an adequate perception of the world in its composition.
Javdet
For starters, tell me, or draw a diagram, how you personally define "inadequate" people.

So, go ahead and tell us or draw a diagram. For example, in my opinion, your demonstratively "moral" discussion of this topic, wearing an admiral's hat, for such a long time in a bunch of threads, is not very adequate and seems somewhat painful. Vic above wrote very correctly about that case, about the adequacy of Redwait's actions, and about how the Arbitration Committee should have acted. And in my opinion, the Arbitration Committee, with its decision to annul Redwait's victory, blatantly caved in to the cries about "morality."
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There's a similar precedent – I remember DirtyPlayer once capturing a refuge with 50 Titans and buying them all with his money. However, he lost in the end, so it's hard to say what would have happened if he had won. Nevertheless, he was a respected member of the Arbitration Committee.
Here, we are discussing not the actions of players, but membership in the Arbitration Committee and, more simply, the future of possible judges!

лето 2012.
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Okay, since you've brought the ball back to my court, here's a brief summary. You can find all of Javdet's thoughts on the moral aspect of the issue directly in the discussion from six months ago. Regarding the appropriateness of behavior, everyone has their own opinion, depending on their level of tolerance. And, of course, the scale of acceptable behavior is a purely subjective thing. Our standards of decency, respect for the opponent, etc., may be radically different.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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As a similar example, I remember DirtyPlayer once capturing a refuge with 50 Titans and buying them all with his money. However, he lost in the end, so it's hard to say what would have happened if he had won. Nevertheless, he was a respected member of the Arbitration Committee.
I would probably have won the game, but my conscience bothered me too much. :D
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I probably would have won the game, but my conscience got the better of me. :D

Haha, I remember that game. It seems like during the Bay Cup, you lost due to greed in a Utopia or something similar, and then it turned out that you had 50 Titans coming. His conscience got the better of him :D
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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Haha, I remember that game. It seems like during the Bay Cup, you lost due to greed in the Utopia or something similar, and then it turned out that 50 Titans had arrived for you. His conscience bothered him :D
No. I discovered 50 Titans on turn 121, bought only 7, and it seemed insufficient. I decided that I wouldn't have time to buy them all before the end of the week, and I urgently needed money, so I went to the highest-level Utopia and lost. GOD offered me an auto-win, because I had taken it on the first week before, but I refused, because playing that game was absurd. :D
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AA, well, that's quite different from my version.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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Let me tell you a secret: a "feature" is a small, unconventional action that helps you in a particular situation. As Nitro used to say, "I sit for 10 minutes, watching a mulligan run past me to the left, I sit for another 10 minutes, watching a mulligan run past me to the right, another 10 minutes up, another 10 minutes down." I can simplify the task for your brain: moves are one of the most valuable resources in the game (especially considering playing on HotA). So, by creating, let's say, infinite moves for yourself, you're simply breaking the rules of the game.
The issue here is very subtle. For example, transferring the last unit before dismissing a hero is impossible using the standard method. But there is a way to transfer it; it's more of a bug that the developers overlooked. However, this bug was deemed acceptable.
How should we interpret moral principles? This is a minor thing, it's okay to do this, but that is not okay...:confused: :confused: :confused:
Based on experience, and seeing dozens of times how berserk, skips, and other bugs were used unpunished in tournaments, I would conclude for myself that naval artifacts can also be used. And it's not about moral principles, but about human adaptation to situations: "people have used it so many times... so it's okay."
Мой ник Heroes, и никто не вынесет меня
Скажу я вам, мои друзья.
Я некромант, я маг великий, и армия моя
Непобедимая, огромная!
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This is a very delicate matter. For example, transferring the last unit before dismissing a hero using the standard method is impossible. But there is a way to transfer it; it's more of a bug that the developers overlooked. However, this bug was deemed acceptable.
How should we interpret moral principles? This is a minor issue; this is acceptable, but that is not...:confused: :confused: :confused:
Based on experience and seeing dozens of times how berserk, gaps, and other bugs were used unpunished in tournaments, I would conclude that using naval artifacts is also acceptable. It's not about moral principles, but about human adaptation to situations: "people have used it so many times... so it's okay."
That is, having infinite moves is normal for you?

лето 2012.
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Does having infinite moves seem normal to you?
No, it's not normal. And thank goodness they banned this bug, and they are also fixing other bugs.
I just feel sorry for Redwait, as they say, "last one in is the daddy." Before him, people used it and it was fine, but with him, people went crazy. And now, he's like an outcast, and everyone will remember him and talk about moral principles, while other similar cases have already been forgotten.
Мой ник Heroes, и никто не вынесет меня
Скажу я вам, мои друзья.
Я некромант, я маг великий, и армия моя
Непобедимая, огромная!
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Red acted absolutely normally, and from my point of view, even more than correctly. This is exactly how such bugs should be used – to draw public attention to them and ban them amidst a wave of public outrage. No sanctions should have been applied to him, and the cancellation of the match result is, in a way, a concession by the administration to the shouting "moralists." Zhenya is certainly a bit careless, but he loves Heroes, has plenty of free time, and could become a perfectly adequate judge, and being around more experienced people will also provide him with an incentive to grow.
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No, this isn't normal. And thank goodness this bug was banned, and other bugs are also being fixed.
It's just a pity for Redwait, here, as they say, "last one in is the daddy." Before him, it was used and everything was fine, but with him, people went crazy. And that's it, he's like some kind of outcast, and everyone will remember him and talk about moral principles, while other similar cases have already been forgotten.
How much more, guys? There's the example of Dirty (or rather, 2 examples - the second one with the berserker bug), where the guy, after using the bug, realizes that it's unfair to his opponents and insists on the result not being counted. And then there's the example of Redwait - no comment. Should we canonize him too?
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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