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If possible, it would be great to add the following fix to the HD mod: set the default terrain type to, for example, grass, instead of water, as it has always been. These water-filled corners are simply unfinished parts generated by the map editor. When you open the editor, everything is underwater by default.
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decided to check...
it's true, it's not always the case. Out of 30 random maps, 4 didn't have any water.
.... шло время, а ситуация не менялась. Мясо продолжало визжать и пищать и главное НИЧЕГО не делать!!!
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It's cool here )

Did the all-powerful AC miss something?! Nonsense!!!!

"Everything that is not prohibited..." - this rule applies everywhere! Both in reality and in the virtual world.

It's strange that several pillars of the Heroes world, including members of the AC, who understand every detail and every point of the established game rules (which are followed by thousands of players), did not mention this in the rules...
And if this were a CR, or CE, or CM! Can you imagine...

My small, subjective opinion:
A player who has not violated the rules has won.
The losing player has no reason to dispute their defeat.
A replay is absurd.
All questions should be directed to the governing organization and the laws, which, due to its ignorance, or lack of knowledge, or negligence, or for some personal or other reasons, did not foresee such an outcome.

P.S. And Anton should be banned!!! For wandering around who knows where!!! )))
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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In the HoTA tournament, in the game Sting vs Maretti.
There was a very interesting nuance about Jebus Cross that also applies to SOD - regarding the possibility of passing into an adjacent respawn of Maretti from the treasure zone, given that Stinger had already broken through one of the guards there, but Maretti did not see this (and had no way to check if Sting was on that respawn where the guard was broken), and thus it became mandatory for him to break through the remaining guard of Titans, not only to enter the neighboring respawn but also to continue further through the treasure zone.

The question: what if Maretti had still run to the neighboring respawn without breaking through the guard (trusting his gut) in the hope that Sting was actually there (but without knowing it!) - would this be a rules violation and an automatic loss, or would it be considered a correct guess with no penalty?
We would like to hear the opinion of the AC members in the interpretation for SOD

лето 2012.
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darkello, this issue has already been raised (though not specifically in relation to Mr. Hack), but no solution has been found.
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darkello
In a HoTa tournament, in the game Sting vs Maretti.
A very interesting nuance was mentioned regarding Jebus Cross which also applies to SOD — about the possibility of passing into the adjacent respawn of Maretti from the treasure zone, given that Stinger had already broken through one of the guard zones there, but Maretti did not see this (and had no way to check whether Sting was in that respawn where the guard had been broken), and consequently it became mandatory for him to break through the remaining Titan guard, not only to enter the adjacent respawn but also to continue through the treasure zone.

The question is: what if Maretti had run to the adjacent respawn anyway without breaking the guard (trusting his gut), hoping that Sting was actually there (but not knowing this!), would this be a rule violation and a tech loss, or would it be considered a guess with no penalty?
We would like to hear the opinion of the AC members as interpreted for SOD.
Not AC, but in my opinion it's obvious: If Maretti runs there without breaking through — at the end of the game we check whether the opponent had broken through or not. So either it's a tech loss or the game result stands.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Not AK, but it seems obvious to me: If Maretti runs there without clearing — at the end of the game we check whether the opponent cleared or not. Accordingly, either it's a tech or the game result stands.
I didn't understand your answer..
Let me ask differently. Specifically the game between Maretti and Stinger. Stinger cleared the GO and at the adjacent respawn. Maretti runs without clearing the guard, hoping that Sting is there, and finds him! Is that a tech or, if Maretti wins, a Maretti win?

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If Maretti wins, Maretti wins. If Stinger wins, Stinger wins. If Stinger doesn't deal any damage, it's a technical issue.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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My opinion completely aligns with yours! It's just that in the game, Stinger and Maretti started saying that the rules "prohibit" passing if you don't know (or aren't sure) that your opponent is there (maybe this only applies to HotA) - the penalty was discussed up to the point of the result!
That's why I asked the members of the Arbitration Committee to understand how they interpret this point in the SOD (Standard of Discipline) for the future.

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There might be different rules on the hotseat mode. I haven't noticed anything like that on HotA. By the way, there was a very interesting moment in this game involving that Guardian of Order. Just something to keep in mind for future discussions on this topic. In short, if the rules stated that player A (Mareti) has the full right to ask their opponent whether the Guardian of Order was triggered, and player B is obliged to tell the truth, then in this situation, I would tell player B to go away. Or I would give them deliberately false information, because with an honest answer, it would spoil the game for myself. Something like that.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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In this particular case, to move from the desert further into the desert, the player (Maretti) would have had to step onto one tile of the muddy road, and you'd also need good eyesight to notice it. In any case, the logic of the map and the game is preserved here, even with such a step.

But with the mud, it's more complicated. There is circumstantial evidence, such as the Titans standing oddly, and a high probability that there was a second guard nearby that was eliminated. It is also suspicious that Stinger came from there and did not break through a passage, meaning he must have flown around it, but Maretti already had a Fly scroll and КВ at that point, so it is unlikely that Stinger also had air control. That's it for now. In general, I fully agree with Javdet's words:
Javdet
If Maretti wins — Maretti's victory. If Stinger wins — Stinger's victory. If Stinger didn't break through anything — tech loss.

As far as I remember, that's how it used to be. After all, not every match has a judge watching it closely, and the player has to decide for themselves whether to run somewhere or not!

Since there is an appeal to the AK from Darkello,
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In a HotA tournament, in the game Sting vs Maretti.
A very interesting nuance was mentioned regarding Jebus Cross, which also applies to SOD — about the possibility of Maretti passing into an adjacent respawn from the treasure zone, given that Stinger had already broken through one of the guards there, but Maretti did not see it (and had no way to check whether Stinger was on that respawn where the guard was broken through). As a result, it became mandatory for him to break through the remaining guard of Titans, not only to reach the adjacent respawn but also to continue through the treasure zone.

The question is: what if Maretti had still run to the adjacent respawn without breaking through the guard (relying on instinct), hoping that Stinger was actually there (but not knowing it!), would that be a rules violation and a tech loss, or would it be considered a correct guess with no penalty?
We would like to hear the opinion of the AK members regarding an interpretation for SOD.
we await their opinion; I think many are interested. Consider this an official request.)


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There might be different rules on HotA. I haven't noticed anything like that on the standard version. By the way, there was a very interesting moment in this game regarding that Guardian of Order. Just something for future discussions on this topic. In short, if the rules stated that player A (Mareti) has the full right to ask their opponent whether the Guardian of Order was triggered, and player B is obliged to tell the truth, then in this situation, I would tell player B to go away. Or I would give deliberately false information. Because with an honest answer, it would spoil the game for myself. Something like that.
I repeat, the question is whether any penalty is given when Maretti is caught, even though there is no proof, and the player guessed correctly and the opponent was in that zone.

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Who knows)))
I reread the rules, and I take back my words; according to the rules, he wasn't allowed to just go for it blindly. It's absurd. On the other hand, he might have had evidence, known only to him, that he could have presented in case of a challenge. Or maybe he just had a gut feeling that his opponent had succeeded – why not? In short, this rule also needs to be more specific.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Who knows)))
Or maybe it's just a gut feeling that the opponent made a move – why not?
In this part, I am asking the judges from the Arbitration Committee to clarify, preferably with a final decision or the opinion of at least 3-4 members of the Arbitration Committee – an official one.

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It’s simple — if you see a shifted ГО on a Jebus, you can proceed at your own risk, simply assuming the opponent cleared it. But if it turns out they didn’t clear it, you get the loss.
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