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One of them is Dirty, I need some time to clarify the second one, but you can add the rest who knew about this bug, because all members of the AC should know the rules and that it is not prohibited there.
How does this "bug" differ in its consequences from "nwcnebuchadnezzar"? And what does the top-ranking heroes list show if you win using this technique? ;) Oh, yes – this code cannot be entered in the multiplayer!.... but there is a replacement for it! :smile20: Is this considered fair play? :eek:
The main rule, in my opinion, and clearly stated: players must play FAIRLY!!! And in light of this, I absolutely don't understand why there's all this fuss and debate?! Or does anyone doubt whether this method of playing Heroes is fair? It's interesting to watch.... :smile12:
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"
Common sense is common sense; everything else that each person considers "their own" is no longer common sense, but a personal, subjective opinion.
As I understand it, all the fuss is about the following rule:
2.14. Actions that are not prohibited/restricted by these rules are permitted.
There is also a section about bugs: 2.13. Bugs: 2.13.1. It is forbidden to sell Artifacts or Magic Scrolls at prices that do not correspond to their actual price at the Artifact Merchant in Tower, Conflux, and Dungeon castles. 2.13.2. It is forbidden to use the bug of viewing an opponent's hero. 2.13.3. It is forbidden to use a hero without an army (the army must have at least one unit). Before dismissing, you can take the entire army. Comments.
Don't forget to look at the comments, where we have the following: Comments on 2.13. Bugs. The use of bugs that are considered "features" of the game is permitted: - weakening unupgraded neutral armies through repeated defeats; - an infinite supply of ammunition for a ballista; - placing two-cell units on the battlefield one cell further than possible (using auto-combat); - viewing opponent's cities (this bug has been fixed in HoMM3 HD); - "stalling" a monster under the effect of the "berserk" spell (this bug has been fixed in HoMM3 HD).
In the end, we have a description of bugs that are prohibited and bugs that are permitted. Neither of these includes the subject of our discussion, so what does this mean? In my opinion, this means that all bugs that are not permitted are prohibited. This is in line with the spirit of the rules, which are designed to make the game fair and equal. And the list of prohibited bugs is informative in nature; it can be supplemented with new bugs, which will be done.
Anticipating the question about the interpretation of the supremacy of one of the rules (sections), I will say that it is not worth engaging in demagoguery about this; it is an endless question, and it will not be possible to find a consensus in it. All such controversial issues are resolved in the Arbitration Committee (AC), which was done promptly.
Regarding the endless throwing of feces of the type "why did you know," "why didn't you remove it," "why didn't you add it" - those who haven't already complained and ranted, go ahead, continue, it won't diminish. It's as if the AC doesn't have anything better to do than to please every dissatisfied person. I remind you that these are ordinary people with the same workload, families, and other nonsense, who, in addition to resolving disputes, also want to play sometimes. And their salary doesn't come from HW, and certainly not from someone who is dissatisfied and points their finger, demanding that they meet their subjective requirements.
In my opinion, this implies that all bugs that are not permitted are prohibited. This aligns with the spirit of the rules, which are designed to make the game fair and equal. The list of prohibited bugs is informative and can be supplemented with new bugs, which will be done.
Anticipating a question about the interpretation of the supremacy of any of the rules (points), I will say that there is no need to engage in demagoguery about this; it is an endless question, and it will not be possible to find a consensus in it. All such controversial issues are resolved in the Arbitration Committee, which was done promptly.
Well, in that case, it would be good to adjust the rules because you end up with the comments on the rules being more important than the rules themselves. The rules state the prohibited bugs, as well as "what is not prohibited is permitted," while the permitted ones are only mentioned in the comments.
And what about the fair play rule? Was it violated or not?
What about the fair play rule? Was it violated or not?
And what, are there any doubts? Ah, yes – there are! Well, then I don't know. And personally, I often "filled" puddles on the map. And I collected SHA. And I knew about the bug – back in the day, without even finding a description, I figured it out once. But somehow, I never even thought to use it.
Am I a noob? And I don't know how to play Heroes :smile18:
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"
As a result, we have a description of bugs that are prohibited and bugs that are allowed. Neither here nor there is our topic of discussion, so what does this imply?
You write a lot about how it cannot be used, but people have been asking Dirty about this bug for a long time, and he said that it can be used. It's good that Nitro contacted the Arbitration Committee (AK) and it was banned, but I wouldn't contact them again, as I knew Dirty's answer.
One of them is Dirty, I need some time to clarify who the second one is, but you can add the rest who knew about this bug here, because all members of the AC should know the rules, and that it is not prohibited there.
The second one was Mizrael; he directly answered to the question about this, stating that it is allowed.
If the Administration Committee has made a decision, it is not up for discussion, but should be accepted. That's how the forum works. Everyone has different opinions, and no one can take that away from you!!! But that's why the Administration Committee exists – to make specific decisions and take responsibility for them.
That’s what I love about AK – its ability to rile people up. Good job :smile20:. They should have also banned Redwait, and it would have been truly epic.
Replay is fine.
What a fun time you're having here! : I missed a lot. :smile10:
I don't understand the outrage over the Arbitration Committee's decision. Banning Redi for using a bug would be wrong, as he didn't break any rules. But awarding him the victory wouldn't be right either. A replay is the most optimal solution.
Well, stirring up some drama and causing a ruckus is also useful. Let everyone express everything they've been holding back and are upset about. :)
Everyone is happy – everyone is free.
Essentially, the bug has been known for ages. I personally learned about it around 2003. It involves recalculating movement points when boarding or disembarking from a boat with a ship-of-the-line. With a specific sequence of actions, this recalculation quickly increases the remaining movement range to its maximum possible value. It's basically like entering a cheat code for infinite movement. Consequently, the game becomes a formality after that, as killing an opponent who is on the map and whose turn will never come... has no meaning in terms of gameplay and competition.
By the way, water is present on absolutely any random map – the upper right corner of the southeastern corner on the surface always has water.
.... шло время, а ситуация не менялась. Мясо продолжало визжать и пищать и главное НИЧЕГО не делать!!!
Nonsense. I tested it, out of 10 generations (tested on different templates), water appeared only once, and not in the corner as you describe.
Actually, it's not nonsense. Water appears very often in the lower right corner. By the way, when we were still playing on CM (around 2008), I wrote about using the Shrine of the Ages in the corner of the map, but back then everyone just laughed. Dima Surmay
You write a lot about how it shouldn't be used, but people have been asking Dirty about this bug for a long time, and he said it's okay to use it. It's good that Nitro contacted the AC and it was banned, but I wouldn't contact them anymore, as I knew Dirty's answer.
This was my decision as a judge. There's nothing that says a judge always makes perfect decisions. Even in court, it often happens that a higher authority makes the opposite decision.
Actually, it's not nonsense. Water very often appears in the bottom right corner. By the way, when we were still playing on CM (around 2008), I wrote about using a Shrine of the Ages in the corner of the map, but everyone just laughed.
I just tested it on CM, 10 out of 10 times, the bottom right corner, but you can't get to it (the cell is surrounded by mountains). This rule doesn't work on HL+ templates.
I called it nonsense - the statement: "by the way, there is water on absolutely any random map."
Added after 9 minutes Mizrael
Didn't you notice that when you open the map, the bottom right corner is darkened every time? ))) and there's always a water cell there...
I went to HL+ and looked at that darkened cell... there's no water there).
wowa
