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I understand that the rules are optimal, that you can’t please everyone, and that there will always be exceptions. Especially when it comes to a game where you can lose because of three morale points in a max-consecutive match… and who cares who withdraws or agrees on a draw:
But I agree with The_ that withdrawals from the tournament should be more strictly regulated.
The most optimal solution is for withdrawals not to affect the standings at all, but this is only possible if we implement the option I suggested recently: /topic/at/741977/

Within the framework of the Novice league, I dare to suggest a new scheme:
All participants are not divided into groups in any way, but each has the right to play 5 games. You choose your opponent yourself, but you can only play against the same opponent once. Whoever is lagging behind chooses from those remaining; whoever withdrew is absolutely irrelevant.
"Одержать сто побед в ста битвах — это не вершина воинского искусства. Повергнуть врага без сражения — вот вершина.
"Сущность войны — обман. Искусный должен изображать неумелость. При готовности атаковать демонстрируй подчинение. Когда ты близок — кажись далёким, но когда ты очень далеко — притворись, будто ты рядом."
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I understand with my mind that the rules are optimal, that you can never please everyone, and that there will always be exceptions. Especially when it comes to a game where you can lose because of three morale points in a max-con... and who cares who withdraws and agrees on a draw:)
But I agree with The_ that withdrawals from the tournament should be more strictly regulated.
The most optimal thing would be for withdrawals not to affect the standings at all, but this is only possible if we implement something like what I suggested recently: /topic/at/741977/

And within the framework of the Novice Tournament, I dare to suggest a new scheme:
All participants are not divided into groups in any way, but each has the right to 5 games. You choose your opponent yourself, but you can play against the same one only once. Whoever is lagging behind chooses from those remaining; whoever withdrew doesn't matter at all.
and what happens after these 5 games?) now, all the stronger players will play against the weaker ones, and then what? It turns out that one player plays, say, 10 games, while another plays 6, and how do you keep track of all this? There are currently 24 players, and there have been even more before; what about later? Playoffs? And how do you create pairs, etc.? Don't try to change the rules of existing tournaments; they have already been held many times, and everyone is happy with them. If you are afraid of facing unfairness, just organize fun matches and a season tournament
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As part of the Beginner's bracket.
It would be good if, after the group stage, those with, say, 1.5 points could play for a spot in the second stage against those with 2 points, because 1.5 + 1 = 2.5. At the same time, the player with 2 points chooses either a black or a colored faction. I don't like the idea of selecting players for the tournament; the tournament bracket is fine, but the rules could be tweaked a bit.

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1. Full control (specifically, Flight and Dimension Door) should be banned in online tournaments.
Have you played in online tournaments? Or at least watched streams?
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The_
The logic is interesting, and there's something to it, but here's one point:
- what should happen to a person who honestly won against someone who withdrew from a tournament? Someone who spent their time and energy (and often, it's not some clueless newbie who would lose anyway, but someone like Yuri and others. Let's say you beat Yuri somehow, and then he withdraws, and your legitimate point should turn into zero? If I were offered that, I would be extremely happy.
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The name "Lawyer" is becoming synonymous with those who have already participated:rolleyes:
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Iamsamstan
What will happen after these 5 games? Now, the stronger players will play against the weaker ones, and then what? It turns out that one player will play, say, 10 games, and another will play 6, and how will all of this be tracked? There are currently 24 players, and there have been even more in the past, so what happens then? Playoffs? And how do you create pairings, and so on? Don't interfere with the rules of existing tournaments; they have been held many times, and everyone is happy with them. If there is a fear of facing unfairness, just play fun matches and have a season!
A lot of questions, and half of them are rhetorical...
Those who could/managed to play 5 games within the timeframe did so, and a table of points/Berger's coefficient was created. The top 20 made it through, while the rest did not. This is the same as it is now in terms of results, but completely different in terms of organization.
Moreover, if I win three games, I will most likely advance from the first stage and can skip the remaining two games.
At the very least, this option makes it easier to find an opponent, because you are not looking among the 5 available, but among all 20, and if you can't meet the deadline, the reason is most likely you.
"Одержать сто побед в ста битвах — это не вершина воинского искусства. Повергнуть врага без сражения — вот вершина.
"Сущность войны — обман. Искусный должен изображать неумелость. При готовности атаковать демонстрируй подчинение. Когда ты близок — кажись далёким, но когда ты очень далеко — притворись, будто ты рядом."
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Roger DAltavilla,
1. Full control (specifically, Flight and Dimension Door) should be banned in online tournaments. I think, it's obvious - for the reason that is clear from your example.
2. Even if there are 40 full controls: whoever is stronger should be the winner! Clearly avoiding the final battle is a sign of weakness, and in a "jumping" battle, almost certainly the player will lose.
So, "YES (100%)" or "NOT SURE"? For a proper interpretation of your position, these statements should not be written together regarding something single with the assertion of both simultaneously.

The second point only applies against bots, but not against intelligence (as they say - the hands are too short).
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...and your rightful point should turn into zero?
If my point were to turn into zero, I would worry about the heroes last.:o
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If my rating were to drop to zero, I would worry about the heroes last. :o
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PReDS
If my score turned into zero, I would worry about the heroes last.:o
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

лето 2012.
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Chingis, it's still relevant!))
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There's a certain type of person for whom everything goes wrong, and Chinguiz is one of them. This is what happens when you can't negotiate and communicate with people. In the end, everyone is bad, and everyone is hiding. I've been on the forum since 2007, and no one has ever hidden from me. What am I doing wrong? :smile39:

If you have such a firm stance, then agree on everything beforehand, BEFORE the game: will the game be played for the report? how many hours are you playing now?, will you save?, if so, when will you finish the game? For 99% of people, this series of simple questions and clarifications helps to avoid confusion later.

For example, Sanin does it simply; he writes down his unfinished games in his signature.
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People tried to help the fool who dropped his wrappers by picking them up, but he thought they were taking them away from him.
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Chingis

They open, say, 10 games. In games where their chances are slim, they hide. But where there's a chance of winning, they actively pursue it. It's a foolproof strategy.
As I understand it, we're talking exclusively about casual games, i.e., games played for fun. And if a person isn't interested, they don't play. And if they're not interested in communicating with you, they don't respond. That's everyone's right.
And your statement seems to imply that someone is looking at the situation objectively, as if they're revealing the cards and seeing whether it's in their favor or not. Unless all these 10 games are at the 125+ stage... Nonsense.
From afar, I'll say that even if I win a game (in my opinion), I can ignore the opponent if I find them unpleasant to interact with, either in communication or in the game. What's the point of arguing, bothering the judges, and for what? For the sake of some character you don't even want to hear about? IMHO.
There are two options:
1 - Play in tournaments, minimizing the number of casual games, or only play with "trusted" contacts.
2 - Look at yourself, because sometimes people don't want to communicate not because they're rude, but because you have bad breath, and their upbringing prevents them from pointing it out.
"Одержать сто побед в ста битвах — это не вершина воинского искусства. Повергнуть врага без сражения — вот вершина.
"Сущность войны — обман. Искусный должен изображать неумелость. При готовности атаковать демонстрируй подчинение. Когда ты близок — кажись далёким, но когда ты очень далеко — притворись, будто ты рядом."
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As the saying goes, the mice cried, pricked themselves, but kept eating the cactus.
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