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Regarding the tournament, we have three problems:
1. Debtors and replacements.
2. Balance issues.
3. Issues with stalemate situations.

The first issue is currently very relevant. Therefore, I strongly request that Oldboy stop discussing his problems and allow the groups to provide updates.

KobRa_RR's questions about balance have been moved to the Rules Discussion thread to avoid confusion. If I move the stalemate situation questions there as well, it will be difficult to understand what's what, as the posts will be arranged in chronological order. I will answer the balance questions in the Rules Discussion, but Oldboy seems to be unsatisfied with Juristis-a's explanations.

After we deal with the debtors and Oldboy figures out the difference between a bugged path and a shifted guard, and one road versus two, I will move all posts related to the stalemate situation to the Discussions, and in the tournament thread, I will comment on the situation in the game Oldboy vs shameonyou.

Interim tournament results.

Round 3 ends on Friday. Everyone should have 3 games played by then.

However, we still have debtors from round 2 and even those who haven't played any games at all.

Debtors from round 2:

Group C
Volodymyr - saves with Mar and Roger DAltavilla
Redsnow - 1 game and nothing else

Group G
rebellious - 1 game
kalababa - 1 game

Group H
Ayauhteotl - 1 game
MerlinTheMagician - 1 game

Group O
Frol off - forfeited against JustObserver

Among those who already have 2 games, zwei is the most concerning - Last activity: 21.10.2013 10:19, a month ago. Does anyone have any information about him?
Also, Myxomoar, Dimast, and leosnow are not very active on the forum.

A request to the debtors and players-opponents in the groups: please let us know what is happening.

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Group G
With rebellious, the save is at 136. If someone doesn't snatch him for the Hunger Games, we might finish him off this weekend.

Can someone explain to me why the game's date is included? Who needs this information, and who came up with this idea?

Can someone explain to me why they write the game's date? Who needs this, and who even came up with it?

Coldreйн is to blame for everything :D

Group "Elka"
Stizko (red, swamp, Tazar) def Alone (blue, necro, Aslin), 2sm4d(3) 215
Started playing on 111, an external dwelling of basilisks was revealed, 7 heroes, a conservatory (which was never taken), 2 Naga Banks near the town, and a promising big respawn.
117 – Secondary Barbarian town taken, Taz (expert earth) is on a speed boost in front of a group of Archmagi for the grass territory (was afraid to do it on the first one);
127 - 2 Dragon Utopias scouted, one in the treasure zone, the second on the grass secondary, Taz is on a speed boost near the first Dragon Fly Hive in the metro-treasure zone; in which a few turns later he'll take a Pandora's Box for all the Air Magic with basic Wisdom(((
137 – Taz is on a speed boost near the first Dragon Utopia on the secondary, which gave a Talisman of Mana and a Sentinel's Shield, running to the second hoping for control, since the Town Portal scroll was slowly building the 4th guild in the Castle.
147 - The second Dragon Utopia gave Sandals of the Saint +2 all stats, Taz stands before the ГО
Until 215 - tried to squeeze all the towns while Aislinka was overeating and powering up in the treasury searching for stats and bone dragons with control. Taz at this time portals to the Barbarian secondary hoping the blues would make a mistake and expose themselves (luckily Taz had 3600 mana), meanwhile my beloved Ainka, who really frayed the blues' nerves with a Titan bought from a Freelancer's Camp, gets killed by an Archmage.
FB Taz 19 36 17 12 (130), Elixir of Life, Badge of Courage 22nd level
49 basilisks, 46 dragon flies, 1 firefly, 3 phoenixes, 14 fireflies, 25 mighty gorgons, 55 serpent flies
Aislin 12 11 25 8 (36) +3 speed, 23rd level
17 liches, 3 angels, 1 skeleton, 52 dragon flies, 1 skeleton, 33 serpent flies, almost 800 bone dragons
Got Implosion into the dragon flies on 2175, then Meteor Shower – then Taz's stats decided it.
Thanks for the game!:cool:

Elka group
Stizko (red, swamp, Tazar) def Alone (blue, Necropolis, Aslin), 2sm4d(3) 215

Tournament participants, some of you are not writing the group, many are not writing the date[/U] + and I have to search for reports among a pile of junk!!!

Please respect the work of others and format the report header correctly!!!

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:smile51:

..........

I will help my teammate.

Group L.
11/19/2013 Stizko (red, swamp, Tazar) def. Alone (blue, Necropolis, Aslin), 2sm4d(3) 215

Three games are on hold, all initiated by the opponents. One is even in the restart phase. It would be good if I could finish them within the next 2-3 days while the memory is still fresh. But when an opponent, at some point (a week later, when it's convenient for them), informs (demands) that they have a couple of hours and it would be good to finish the game, it raises questions – why even start the game if they're not ready to finish it quickly? I understand that everyone has real life and various commitments, and it's impossible to avoid using save files. But the game is turning into an obligation, and the gameplay itself is being replaced by off-game routine. The result is already of secondary importance – the main goal is to get rid of this strange burden – finishing the game. The meaning of the game as a pleasant pastime immediately disappears when you have to persuade a player to play, and preferably quickly and without any fuss. It's long overdue to clearly and strictly define the players' responsibility for delaying games in the regulations. Excessive flexibility with a free schedule further reduces gaming discipline. It doesn't matter if a player doesn't want to or can't play. If they don't have the opportunity now, there will be dozens of other opportunities.

Group J
10/31/2013 shpilenger (red, Tower, Ain, Kir) def marajan (blue, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) 8mm6a 133
Marat provided the auto-pick, and I'd like to thank him for that! We needed to win 2 games, and this was one of them. We stopped there.
Thanks for the games and good luck in the playoffs!

Can someone explain to me why we need to write the game date? Who needs it and who came up with this idea?

For the last 3 years, I've been answering this question every 2-3 months. Here's what I wrote to Wicc on September 7th:
/topic/at/685746/
Here are the formulas for calculating the rating:
/topic/10593/
If you think about them a little and look at the individual statistics of the players, then everything can be easily understood without outside help.

A typical example from the summer season:
06/02/2013 Maretti def Redwhait HP +17
08/20/2013 Maretti def Redwhait HP +3
At the beginning of the season, both players had 1500 points. And the victory gave Maretti 17 points. In the summer, Maretti played and won a lot, his rating grew rapidly, and by the end of the season it was already around 1800. Redwait, however, had approximately an equal number of wins and losses, and his rating fluctuated around 1500. The difference of 300 points reduced the points for the win to +3 at the end of the season.
And here is a loss at the end of the season against Mizrael (rating below 60th place) which was worth 29 points:
08/20/2013 Maretti lose Mizrael -29
That is, one defeat for Mikhail was equivalent to 10 victories over players with the same rating. The higher you climb, the more painful it is to fall.

If we talk about ratings in general, as far as I know, in many sports they depend on the date. In tennis, for example, older earned points expire. If you don't play for six months, your ranking will drop significantly.

Also, it is much easier for tournament organizers to deal with reports when the date makes it more or less clear what game it is and where to find it on the forum if there are any questions about it.

Therefore, it is necessary to write the date. Don't force the organizers to do this uninteresting and monotonous work for you.

Group "Elka"
Stizko (red, swamp, Tazar) def Alone (blue, necro, Aslyn), 2sm4d(3) 215

Tazar 19 36 17 12 (130), elixir of life, medal of courage level 22
49 Basilisk Warriors, 46 wyverns, 1 wyvern, 3 phoenixes, 14 wyverns, 25 Manticore Warriors, 55 Serpent Warriors
Aslyn 12 11 25 8 (36) +3 to speed, level 23
17 liches, 3 angels, 1 skeleton, 52 wyverns, 1 skeleton, 33 serpents, almost 800 skeletons
Got a blow at 2175 on the wyverns, then meteor shower – after that Tazar's stats decided the rest.
Thanks for the game!:cool:

Got a blow at 2175 on the wyverns, then meteor shower – after that Tazar's stats decided the rest.
Thanks for the game!:cool:[/QUOTE]
A tough start in the dungeon... Broke through to my secondary town, but the passage to the village itself is blocked by up to 99 marks at the entrance to the treasure zone portal. Placed the liches and killed the marks, but about 50 skeletons survived without the liches... The second passage is blocked by up to 99 Gr. Serpents. Wait until the start of the second week; in the capital, liches are in the citadel; in the secondary, I think I placed vampires.
On the second week, I broke through to the surface; it turned out to be a swamp. Nothing much to do there - all the respawn is cut up by mountains; from the lookout point, a Griffin Conservatory can be seen far away. Transferred everyone to my native respawn to take the Griffin Conservatory - a pair came in quite handy :)
With the angels, I went to the first treasure zone - it turned out to be shared with the opponent, since I saw glimpses of his heroes near my entrance. An early encounter is not in our plans, so I proceed forward cautiously, sending a scout first. I took a couple of hives; in the warrior mausoleum, they gave +2 speed:smile12:
On the third week, we're clearing the treasure zone; in the distance are a hive, a box, and a dragon utopia from a dungeon - decided not to go there, but to return to the start of the treasure zone - to the level 5 hat for a horde of necro horses. I did everything right - because the next turn Tazar appears with a medium army and kills my horse. We take the blue cap with the loss of one angel; after that, there's basically nothing to do in the treasure zone - we leave. Blue takes the hive and realizes there's nothing more to do here either. I decide to check the second treasure zone through a portal, and it turned out to be much tastier. ;)
On the fourth week, I'm hanging out there. I took a box for level 3 magic, a hive; Aslyn took 2 libraries and grew a bit in stats. Not sure how I lost the last angel against a flock of titans, even though everything was easy to take there. :confused: The second necromancer also leveled up, but his skills were just terrible; I had to learn Wisdom, Eagle Eye, and Intelligence. Although he also visited the libraries. For the phoenixes, the second necromancer took an experience box with the loss of 150 skeletons :( Finally found a Dragon Utopia - Aslyn takes it and gets a Water spell book... upgraded to Expert Water (had to take it). I captured 2 Devil dwellings and took the Cloak of Abdication. In the second Dragon Utopia, they gave a Fire spell book, Titan's Armor, and the Red Orb - almost certainly the opponent doesn't have the other orb and cloak yet, so the finale will almost certainly be with magic. I'm counting on that, since Tazar has insane stats, especially defense. The problem is that we have almost no stat artifacts... :mad: Meanwhile, our capital is taken.
On week 5, I transfer everyone to the swamp; Aslyn restores mana - a measly 150 points. With Fly, I cross over the mountains and take a trio of Griffin Conservatories; moving through the swamp is tough - but thankfully I have Advanced Pathfinding, Expert Logistics, and boots. I run off-road into the last treasure zone; a Dragon Utopia there gave Titan's Helm and armor +4 attack/defense. I also beat a couple of hives there. With the helm, I can stock up on a fair amount of mana - but where to find a well? I have every kind of magic, but no Town Portal:( There's a well right by the last necro secondary town. I defend this secondary by all means, because brazen Ayn killed all my horses with her magic there. But she got payback; with an Armageddon for 650, I sent her into oblivion. I'm thinking where to send Aslyn; I notice some rocks - and there I find springs and wells. I Town Portal there; from the lookout, I spot a Barbarian village, and Tazar is in it... and not a single well around. I run far into the opponent's treasure zone on grass, where I can see unclaimed objects. I hope Tazar doesn't have Logistics - but the next turn, he catches up. In the final battle, the plan was to buy my way out and, after replenishing mana, beat the opponent - but apparently I spent the money somewhere. Tazar, with his morale and luck, killed all the skeletons for almost every stack. Too bad... if I had had mana, I could have won...
Thanks for the game!
P.S. By losing this match, I'm knocked out of the tournament, to my wife's unspeakable joy:smile05:

For the last 3 years, I have been answering this question every 2-3 months. Here's what I answered to Wicc on September 7:
/topic/at/685746/
Here are the formulas for calculating the rating:
/topic/10593/
If you think about them a little and look at the individual statistics of the players, then everything can be perfectly understood without outside help.

A typical example from the summer season:
02.06.2013 Maretti def Redwhait HP +17
20.08.2013 Maretti def Redwhait HP +3
At the beginning of the season, both players had 1500 points. And the victory gave Maretti 17 points. In the summer, Maretti played and won a lot, his rating grew rapidly, and by the end of the season it was already around 1800. Redwait, however, had approximately an equal number of wins and losses, and his rating fluctuated around 1500. The difference of 300 points reduced the points for a win to +3 at the end of the season.
And here is a loss at the end of the season against Mizrael (rating below 60th place) which was worth 29 points:
20.08.2013 Maretti lose Mizrael -29
That is, one loss for Mikhail was equivalent to 10 victories over players with the same rating. The higher you climb, the more painful it is to fall.

If we talk about ratings in general, as far as I know, in many sports they depend on the date. In tennis, for example, older earned points expire. If you don't play for six months, your ranking drops significantly.

Also, it is much easier for tournament organizers to deal with reports when the date makes it more or less clear what game it is and where to find it on the forum if there are any questions about it.

Therefore, it is necessary to indicate the date. Don't force the organizers to do this uninteresting and monotonous work for you.

Why not just record them by the date the report was written (even the exact time is available!)? They are written on the same day +- 1-2 days. I think that during this time, the rating cannot suffer significantly. And the rest (those who write whenever they feel like it) don't care about it.

Group J
10/31/2013 shpilenger (red, Tower, Ain, Kir) def marajan (blue, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) 8mm6a 133
Marat provided assistance, and I'm especially grateful for that! We needed to win 2 games, and this was one of them. We stopped there.
Thanks for the games and good luck in the playoffs!

It was, thanks for the game.

Why not just record them based on the date the report was written (the exact time is also available!)? They are written on the same day, plus or minus 1-2 days. I don't think the rating would suffer significantly because of this. And the rest (those who write reports whenever they feel like it) don't care about it anyway.

For this, the tournament organizers would need to copy the date twice when compiling the list – first, the date from the line above the nickname, and then the report itself. Creating such a list will take twice as long. It takes me about 1 hour to process 100 messages. For 2400 messages (1200 reports) in the summer season, it would take 24 hours. If players don't write the date, and the organizers do it instead, it will take 48 hours just to compile the list.