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No, for example, I just wanted to point out that many players (top players and those close to them) are leaving the tournament for no reason, and that's not good.
I think this is not right!
But I think it would be more logical to come up with the penalties in the tournament rules, rather than during the tournament.

лето 2012.
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I'm afraid you won't understand my emotions, at least not right now.
Those who have played Heroes extensively, and to the point where they see it not just as a pleasant pastime but as a sport, where the result matters and depends on how well you play, can understand them. That's why various mirror match strategies are developed, and in tournaments, players like Stinger and Alex prefer to play 8mm6 instead of Chaos Magic.
I hope I've now explained the loss of motivation after playing a game of "Heads or Tails"?

By the way, I wasn't withdrawing from tournaments before either, and if I had known that such a decision might hinder someone in the points distribution, I wouldn't have done it.
What you said is at least some kind of explanation, and now, by writing your message, you at least didn't blame the innocent, but honestly stated your reasons. This is already better than Romario's message. And these discussions should start with the organizers of the tournaments you participate in, not just presenting a fait accompli.

Treating it as a sport is not only what you wrote; it also implies adherence to sporting principles. The principles of sports competitions can be found on Google.
Also, considering the sporting aspect and motivation, I want to say that one strengthens the other.

But since Heroes is not a sport, but only approximately comparable to some of them, it is also necessary to take into account the relationship, or rather, mutual respect, which comes to the fore more than in big sports, where money rules.

I hope everyone will understand everything without unnecessary words, and we will respect each other.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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There are some very interesting points in the biathlon rules.
Just to clarify – is it possible to replay a situation in biathlon from the moment the rules were violated?
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Just to clarify – is it possible to replay a situation in biathlon from the moment when the rules were violated?
Nothing can be replayed, and nothing is replayed anywhere because of a violation, even if it can somehow be justified. Perhaps the only exceptions in sports are situations of obvious bias or major exceptions.

In biathlon, the main penalties are the addition of extra seconds/minutes, which is the primary unit of measurement in the competition. This time is usually added immediately and communicated to the team, which then informs the biathlete. For example, if you run the entire distance in 30 minutes, the final protocol will add the time prescribed for the violation, and your result will be, for example, 35 minutes, which will drop you 20-40 places.

If you win a game and are awarded a medal, but later a violation is noticed (like searching through saves in our case), the medal is taken away and another person is awarded it, the one who was lower in the ranking, and the country's sports federation will also be punished for something.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Just to clarify – is it possible to replay a situation in biathlon from the moment the rules were violated?

Without diminishing the eloquence of R55Max....

Can this situation with two double downs be replayed without getting bogged down in pondering additional information, which, unfortunately, has already become known as a result of the two double downs?

The answer is no, in both cases – it cannot be replayed. So, why was the question asked?
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Not diminishing the eloquence of R55Max....

Can this situation with two double downs be replayed without getting bogged down in pondering the additional information, which, unfortunately, has already become known as a result of the two double downs?

The answer is no, in both cases – it cannot be replayed. Then why was the question asked?
Perhaps in this specific case, the violation is irreversible, but, in my opinion, this is not a reason to engage in nitpicking every time and appeal to the rules, regardless of common sense. If we follow the logic of R55Max, then Tvarine should also be given a technical loss against Amilu, for the fact that in one of the scenarios, he took the secondary hero from the prison with the necromancer expert, which is obviously absurd.
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04/06 ProtosArchon (Fortress, Craig Hack, Craig Hack) def Kilgor (Rampart, Kyrre, Kyrre) Jebus, 1.2.6

I broke 121 in the desert and took a tower town very close to the opponent's area. I built an observatory there, and all I needed to do was wait for Kyrre to come out and kill him. He came on 1.2.6 and had no chance. Thanks for the game!

Confirmed. My one hidden stack of fighters, one hidden stack of rogues, and one hidden stack of knights couldn't stand up to two hidden stacks of demons, two hidden stacks of birds, and three cons (2+3+4).

Thanks for the game.

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In a Swiss tournament, it makes sense to withdraw after two losses. It's the same as losing in the winners' bracket and then losing in the losers' bracket. But if you have the time and desire, feel free to play for fun.
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It makes sense to withdraw from the tournament after two losses in a Swiss-system format. It's the same as losing in the winners' bracket and then also in the losers' bracket. But if you have the time and desire, go ahead and play for fun.
You're being too categorical. The organizers might penalize you for that, as was already discussed.
If you want to leave, just leave quietly. Why use such arrogant phrases?

лето 2012.
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Well, if a player doesn't see any prospects for themselves and decides to withdraw, does it really matter whether they announce it in advance or simply start losing and giving up in the remaining matches?
Удача любит подготовленных!!!





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Perhaps in this specific case, the violation is irreversible, but in my opinion, this is not a reason to nitpick every time and refer to the rules regardless of common sense. If we follow R55Max's logic, then Tvarine should also be given a technical loss against Amil for the fact that in one of the scenarios, he took a secondary town away from Vidomina with the help of a Necromancer expert, which is utter nonsense.
If minor violations are allowed online, many will secretly use them, hoping that if they are caught, they can either deny it or replay the game. Not everyone reviews saves looking for violations; usually, they are found either by chance or if the author mentions them in the report.

Therefore, online, it is necessary to compensate for this with strict punishment - an immediate technical loss, regardless of the circumstances (whether it had an impact or not). Simply to avoid unwarranted expectations.

This is one of those cases where the law is harsh, but it is the law. And when the simplicity of the rules and their educational value are more important than their fairness.

In my opinion, that's the case.
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Well, if a player doesn't see any prospects for themselves and decides to withdraw, does it matter whether they do so by warning everyone in advance or by simply losing and giving up in the remaining matches during the first few days?
There is a difference, Vitaly. In many tournament rounds, the games count towards the ranking, and I don't think everyone would agree to lose 4-5 games in a season. Besides, it's not right to withdraw because of a lack of prospects (you messed it up yourself); it's different to withdraw due to illness, lack of time, etc.

лето 2012.
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Vitaly, there's a difference. In many tournament rounds, the games count towards the ranking, and I don't think everyone would agree to throw 4-5 games in a season. Besides, it's not right to withdraw because there's no chance of winning (you messed it up yourself). It's different to withdraw due to illness or lack of time.
I, for example, will withdraw if I don't see any prospects, but if I can't withdraw, I'll just throw the games. It's not because I'm irresponsible or anything (if it were an important game in a group, I would definitely play), but because I'm +5 hours ahead of Moscow time. That is, I usually start playing at 11 PM and play until late at night. For example, yesterday I played with Predsom until 5 AM, and today I got up at 7 AM for work. Do you think I would play a ranked game?
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Kilgor
If I don't see any prospects, I'll drop out, and if I can't, I'll just fade away, and it's not because I'm irresponsible, etc. (if it were an important game in a group, I would definitely play), but because I have +5 hours to Moscow time. That is, I usually start playing at 11 PM and until late at night. For example, yesterday I played with Predsom until 5 AM, and today I got up at 7 AM for work. Do you think I would play a fun game?
You're trying to justify yourself, but what's the point of justifying yourself after you personally signed up for the tournament?! You weren't forced to, were you?! Don't sign up if you want to go to bed at 10 PM.

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I sometimes have the same game schedule, even though I have a full 5-day work week.

лето 2012.
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Chingis
but is it even possible to get the ГГ defeated while in handcuffs? and if so, is that a rule violation?

Regarding my posts and games. my posts are not a violation of the rules.
And I played only 5 games, without reports. This is also not a violation of the rules.
Regarding the nick registration.
For 1 year I played the 6th series offline, then for 3 months the 3rd series offline.
I've been studying the 3rd series online for 3 months. This is also not a rule violation.

Your outburst is like: You violated! And you are this and that! Instead of pointing out violations, you are looking for some nick registration dates and posts.
It's funny to me :).

As for the guy doing 2 Dimension Door randomly, one could do that and violate a dozen more points and no one would know.
On the contrary, even with 500 mana, I might forget to use Dimension Door even once.

And someone who does 2 Dimension Door does it regularly. It's just hard to catch them. imho

Now I want to play against you. Wait for an invitation sometime. Nothing personal.

And besides, whoever protects a rule-breaker might be breaking rules themselves.

I have nothing against either you or your friend. I could also break many rules and no one would know. It's just that I don't want to play with guys who cheat.

Is my desire not a violation of the rules?:)
First of all, by "defeated in handcuffs," I meant forgetting to take them off and going into battle, as a result, the hero was lost because he couldn't escape. This is why I mentioned that Svarog also did this simply out of carelessness.
Secondly, I wasn't looking for your violations or digging through posts; I was simply trying to tell you that you spoke very harshly about Svarog. And phrases like "need to remember this nick" and similar ones are unfair toward him. Yes, he used 2 Dimension Door because he was in a hurry, because when you play against another player, you experience completely different emotions—sometimes you rush, sometimes you forget something, which leads to such blunders. That's why I advise you to actually play more online; I'm not saying this as a reproach, and once again, you simply misunderstood me—I didn't mention any violations on your part in my post at all.
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Chingis,