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#3312
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my question is about water? meaning, no matter what the situation, I can apply any rule to it?:smile02:

I'll answer with your own words:
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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I'll answer with your own words:
and is this the answer from a judge?
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If shackles are present, then we must act according to the rules.
Exactly, according to the rules, it should be possible to break free without shackles, which will be problematic with this many troops and rounds, plus Craig Hag has triple luck. Also, the rules allow removing bracers and disbanding troops down to the number at the time the stalemate occurred, but again, then Tunar will be left without experience for the troops he killed earlier, since he supposedly didn't kill anyone, but just suddenly started firing troops on the third week. Well, yes, he might also have received a couple of thousand for a ransom... It's unfair.
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My question is about the "water" rule? Meaning, regardless of the situation, can any rule be applied to it?:smile02:
When the situation is non-standard and not regulated by the rules, a decision is made through discussion among the judges. In this case, the situation fully falls under the rules. Why complicate things?
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answer my question (or rather, choose one of the options or specify your own):

1) is this a stalemate? - the condition is impossibility

2) is this a negotiable situation? - the condition is someone's desire.
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Exactly, according to the rules, it should be possible to win without using shackles, which will be problematic with such a large number of troops and rounds, plus Craig Hag has triple luck. Also, the rules allow removing bracers and disbanding troops down to the number at the time the stalemate occurs, but again, then Tunar will be left without experience for the troops he killed earlier, since he didn't kill anyone here, but simply suddenly dismissed troops on the third week. Well, yes, he might have also received a couple of thousand for a ransom... It's unfair.
Unfortunately, no other reasonable options for this situation have been proposed. If there are any options that would be fair to everyone, let's consider them.
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If there are options that would be fair to everyone, let's consider them.
It would be fair to hold the one who initiated the violation responsible. If it's the defender, they should disband their troops and remain without experience. If it's the attacker, they should attack and lose. Thus, all the pros and cons should be weighed, considering the situation, or making a decision to attack.

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What if it's both?
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Lim4
Tunar won't gain experience for the troops he killed earlier, as he didn't actually kill anyone here; he simply dismissed troops on the third week. Well, he might have also received a couple of thousand for a ransom... It's unfair.

If Tunar believes that the pact is not beneficial to him, let him fight. Everything here is fair because both are avoiding active actions.

However, for the scenario with the amulets, where only one player avoids the fight, it might be worth considering adding a rule that both players are obligated to fight, as the mana cost, in addition to experience, could be significant.
Награда: Лучшему игроку сезона Осень 2009 за замок Конфлюкс
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To be honest, in the event of a stalemate in the shackles, it would be fair to load a save and dismiss both heroes.
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To be honest, in a stalemate situation with shackles, it would be fair to load a save and dismiss both heroes.

So, we take a weak hero with bracers and a fly spell and attack the enemy's father with 1k skeletons, trigger a stalemate, and dismiss both?
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So, we take a weak unit with bracers and a fly spell and attack the enemy hero with 1k skeletons, cast the spell, and dismiss both?
Well, if he positioned himself with 1k skeletons and has no mana, he might lose anyway. We can even replace the fly spell with a harpy witch spell :D
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If Tunar believes that a draw is not in his best interest, then let him fight.
I think he considers suicide to be even less advantageous. And a draw is a consequence of a failed attack on him. Why should Tunar respond?
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And for the scenario with amulets, where only one dodges, it might be worth considering adding a rule that both must fight.
And who should be obligated to make the first move?
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to numOne:
answer my question (or choose one of the options, or suggest your own):

1) is this a stalemate? - a condition of impossibility

2) is this a negotiable situation? - a condition based on someone's desire

This is a stalemate. Read what I wrote above.
What does "a condition of impossibility" have to do with it? Are you trolling, or am I misunderstanding? :)
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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Dirty_Player
Well, if he commits with 1k skeletons and no mana, he's already likely to lose. Let's replace even a fly with a harpy-witch :D

We can come up with a more realistic situation, like 1k skeletons with support and 1k mana, for example. We take bracers, a red orb, and a few archers who can't kill the skeletons but can easily eliminate the support.
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And who should be forced to make the first move?

The question is only problematic for the situation where both players are dodging. That's why I think that in such a situation, we shouldn't look for an answer to it. Let each player decide what is more advantageous for them - to fight or agree to a draw with the consequences.

If only one player is dodging, then the answer is obvious - the weaker and faster player should fight.
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You could come up with a more realistic situation, like 1k skeletons with support and 1k mana, for example. We take bracers, a red orb, and a few archers who can't kill the skeletons but can easily eliminate the support.
Yes, you're right.
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The issue is only problematic in a situation where both players are dodging. That's why I think that in such a situation, we shouldn't look for an answer to it. Let each player decide what is more advantageous for them – to fight or to agree to a stalemate with its consequences.
But I disagree here. I believe that the defender still has the right not to advance. That's what being a defender is all about.